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Although I don't smoke marijuana, I don't believe people who use it are criminals. This made me want to cry. The man was so calm, and the cops knew they were doing something wrong. (tlc.discovery.com)
submitted 2 years ago by haykuro
[–]JonnyStabbins 124 points125 points126 points 2 years ago
At the end of the day, he broke the law.
At the end of the day, you just criminalized a perfectly harmless tax-paying citizen.
[–]atara_x_ia 15 points16 points17 points 2 years ago
At the end of the day, the sun goes down.
[–]youenjoymyself -7 points-6 points-5 points 2 years ago
At the end of the day, there's usually a smartass to ruin the moment. Upvoted.
[–]REXXXXXX -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago
So true. If only it were so simple...
[–]saw2239 35 points36 points37 points 2 years ago
Too bad it is
[–]ekki -7 points-6 points-5 points 2 years ago
He knew the risks. If somebody with authority tells a person to not do something (righteous or not), and if person 2 goes ahead and does it anyway, there'll be consequences.
Yes, what he did was break the law. But the law should be changed, and this man was unlucky.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago
You say that as if it doesn't go without saying. We know it's illegal, but thanks for the update.
[–]ekki 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
"I don't beleive people who use it are criminals"
[–]tpahornet 72 points73 points74 points 2 years ago
Sure come on in! What a fucking stupid kid! Did anyone else hear any mention of a warrant? His attorney's will have fun with this one.
[–]neatopat 40 points41 points42 points 2 years ago
You can even see the cop on the right looks at the other cop and gives a look like I can't believe it was that easy. The only thing she said was "We're here on a narcotics investigation" and he blurts out "It isn't mine." I really doubt they had a warrant. Could have easily said "I don't know what you're talking about. Come back when you have a warrant" and that should buy you at least a couple hours to clear all that shit out before they come back.
[–]tangledupblues 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
While I agree with what you said...Why would they be recording an investigation of this nature? Is that routine somewhere I don't live (Illinois)?...This came off as something generic, like…If it can happen to this guy, it can happen to you…Just look how easily we found out about this…
[–]haykuro[S] 17 points18 points19 points 2 years ago*
It's part of a show called "Police Women of Broward County" pretty much just an improvised version of Cops limited to Broward County.
edit: forgot to mention the excess in vagina.
[–]tangledupblues 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Thanks.
[–]CrazyCatLady 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
There might be tits on that program but I bet her vag is so shriveled and unused that they could pass it off as an ugly ballsack.
[–]digichris 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
...says CrazyCatLady
[–]ibrokereddit 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago
You know she fucking sleeps around with her bald-headed minions. She looks like a right old power-mad cunt IMO.
[–]TwoToke 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I have to disagree. Most female cops are fucking sluts. They're usually into some crazy shit like bondage, swapping, domination and choking.
Searuslee...
[–]haykuro[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
haha your post opened almost exactly like mine. i started typing mine late anyways, i suppose. cheers. _^
[–]haykuro[S] 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago
These were my thoughts as well. They simply said "we're conducting a narcotics investigation" and the kid immediately shoots out "it's not mine." Be that as it may, they never accused him, or even the house. They were simply informing him why they knocked on his door. So at this point he admits that there is marijuana in the house, and they now have reasonable cause to search (i think.. does anyone know if this applies to house searches as well?)
[–]Anon1991 18 points19 points20 points 2 years ago
I wasn't aware marijuana is classified as a narcotic.
[–]degoba 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago
I upvoted you. Half the fear mongering surrounding marijuana has to do with peoples utter confusion surrounding it.
[–]Anon1991 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Cheers.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago
So's coke. You know, because you nod off after doing a fat line.
[–]JustJonny 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
Despite that it has a clear medical definition, narcotic has become police slang for any and all illicit drugs.
[–]Anon1991 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I was unaware of that, thanks. I might've badmouthed a cop over that if I hadn't known.
[–]Eurasian-HK -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
American's call all drugs narcotics not just Opiates like the rests of the world.
Americanization of the English language = loss in meaning
[–]BostonTentacleParty 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago*
That's very likely the most ignorant statement I've ever seen posted in this subreddit. Language constantly changes; new words emerge, old words gain new meanings and/or lose old ones, pronunciation shifts, and even grammar changes. The way that language changes, though, is currently changing in a global, digital society. "Americanization" doesn't produce any more of a loss in meaning than any other change, however.
There are myriad valid complaints to take up with the US, and I make a great deal of them, but that's just bigotry.
[–]kevin19713 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
The English have more slang words than anyone. They are constantly shortening words and making up nicknames. An example would be to take any famous persons last name and somehow add an "o" or an "a" on to the end of it i.e. Paul McCartney = Macca
[–]Eurasian-HK 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago*
yes but the slang words in England dont replace the original word completely like they do in America.
[–]pkonink 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Your comment is double-plus good.
Yes but the American form of English does not come up with new vocabulary only shorted versions of words and combining means of words to create a SIMPLE FORM OF ENGLISH.
The reason English is the international language of Science amongst other things is that it has the most adjectives and a large lexicon. Americans English seems to remove this strength from the English language by lowering the total amount of words used.
When you become less precise in your words you lose meaning.
For Example American's will continue to call what they put in their cars "GAS" even though the word is GASOLINE or PETROLEUM is the correct word for the fuel taken by automobiles (yes Diesel exists too). However Ameicans have taken it upon themselve to call shorten it to GAS. Now GAS has many meaning already one of which is the 3 forms of matter. Now GASOLINE isn't even a real GAS its liquid, which is why when English speaking people decided to come up with a short name for the fuel in cars they decided on PETROL which is short for PETROLEUM. Look a new word "PETROL" even though its just short for Petroleum its still a new word. This new word doesn't cause confusion to what exactly the noun is.
Same thing goes for Narcotics and Opiates. To people outside North America Narcotics specify a particular type of Drug... those derived from Opium. Now American English now has changed the meaning to encompass all types of illegal drugs. This change in the meaning of Narcotics has now replaced descriptive words like stimulants, hallucinogenics & anti-psychotics.
Now look at my argument again and please tell me what wonderful things the AMERICAN version of English has brought to the world?
By the way SLANG and SMS texting language doesn't count as contributions.
Firstly, your argument is entirely generalization. Let us compare the sizes and populations of England and the US, and we can immediately see that to speak of "American English" as a cohesive dialect is at best a joke. Just living three years in DC, I could see huge differences in the way that people spoke, the language they employed, from my native New England. In Florida and in California it was yet stranger.
Secondly, slang absolutely counts. Not a linguist in the world would discount it. SMS texting/chatspeak is separate, and hardly unique to the US; I have seen in my own research Arabic versions of it, and I imagine you'll find it in any language which can be found in frequent use in the first world.
Third, if you take issue with the American "gas" you must hate the British "fag."
Lastly, I could sit and explain to you the history of "American" English, or I could link you to the wikipedia page (which you honestly should have checked before talking smack anyways). I could not hope to detail it so well here as they do there. I would, in particular, direct your attention to these two sections, which address your "arguments" perfectly.
[–]Eurasian-HK 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
i disagree with your stance on slang. Thank you for the last two links to the difference between British and American English & Vocabulary on wikipedia i found them interesting reads.
"The most noticeable differences between AmE and BrE are at the levels of pronunciation and vocabulary."
[–]kevin19713 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I'm Irish but I live in the US and I had this argument the other day. I was convinced that "narcotics" was only painkillers and opiates in general. I usually win these arguments and I was pretty sure I had prevailed this time but I stand corrected. Well I guess it was a tie since we were both right.
[–]PeterWiggin 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago*
The /facepalm has never been more relevant.
[–]tpahornet 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago
OH and what a threat to society!
[–]digitalboy 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago
His attorney will be able to do jack shit. If you invite the police into your house and they spot illegal narcotics you're fucked and it can be used against you.
DON'T INVITE THE POLICE INTO YOUR HOUSE WITHOUT A WARRANT!
If you're innocent then you have even more to lose.
[–]Something_Famous 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
It wasn't his house though. He pays no mortgage on that property, his name is not on any of the documents claiming ownership of the house. I think the cops needed an owner to be present in order to give proper consent to come into the house.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
Well actually there might be a couple of routes that the lawyer could go with this one. Though generally yes if you let someone in without a warrant you are waiving all your 4th amendment rights.
First the roommate scenario. Since the kid was over 18 and allowed the police to enter they could search common area's but not the private area of the other roommate(dad). So this possibly could fall into this category. Since it looked like the weed was in the bedroom? Which would be considered a private area. But really the kid dropped the ball. Telling the cops that there was marijuana(more or less) and allowing them in. WTF. If your gonna grow dope make sure your friggin son is onboard and has some damn street smarts. I know 12 year olds who could of handled that better.
[–]whoisthedrizzle 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
It was probably edited out to cut time.
[–]fozzymandias 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
How can someone's will have fun?
[–]cyanidepoison 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
For some reason I didn't get to see the video (Fuck you Linux Flash Player, fuck you.), but I couldn't believe it either. You have to be very dumb to just open up like that, or at least uneducated.
[–]ddrt 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Yeah, they even did him a favor by saying "come out here and talk to me for a second." Usually they try to get right in. I bet they had a warrant though :/
[–]sushiftw 38 points39 points40 points 2 years ago
Not saying he deserved it but the dad is stupid for not teaching his child how to react to police at the door.
[–]z3r0_nothing 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago*
You know, I'm pretty sure, that is what bugged me the most about the whole video. How this kid, who's like 17+ years old, immediately after being told they were asking about a narcotics investigation, was all ITS MY DADS! The whole thing should have been the kid asking if they had a warrant, and when they did not have one, been all, "I'm sorry for wasting your time, but, come back when you have one. Have a nice day officer. * smile, shuts door *" At which point, he should have called his dad and moved that shit somewhere else for when they come back. lol
[–]haykuro[S] 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago
now that i think of it, maybe this was just the off catch where they weren't asked for a warrant, thus enabling them to display it as the "right" thing to do. "see kids? if you just let us in, you don't go to jail... daddy does! :)"
[–]acousticcoupler 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
Or maybe he asked for a warrant and they had one but they edited that out so as not to show people exorcising their rights and teaching people the "right" thing to do.
[–]popsicle 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
not saying you are incorrect at all, and i have no idea if this happens, or has ever happens, but..
do you think if he would have said that, they would have had a couple of officers stake out the front and back entrance, to ensure that it couldnt have gotten removed from the house? i never understood why this didnt happen more often in all types of investigations. im not saying i want this to happen in this particular case, but im just curious if you think they would have done that. that way when they get the warrant, they can ensure that nothing has left the house and whatever was in there before is still there, leaving them to tear the house upside down to find it.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
I will tell you from experience this is exactly what would happen. A friend of mine had cops come for a knock and talk. Basically a knock and talk is when the cops try to get the homeowner to consent to search and to somewhat bully or sniff for clues. In his case he had been informed on and they had been watching his house for several days.
He happened to be at work but his wife was home. She didn't answer the door and called him so he raced home from work. The police tried to convince him to let them search the house and he refused. They then called for back-up and detained him outside while waiting for a judge to sign a warrant. It took 2 hours before they got the warrant and then they were good to go. So yes they will sit and watch your house. Especially over a grow. Cops bust nuts over even the smallest grow.
[–]z3r0_nothing -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
Well, they could ensure that nothing left the house, but if they looked outside and saw cops, they'd dispose of it other ways i dunno, probably would take a couple days to get a warrant for something that minimal, they could uh smoke it all, or find a way to get it out of the house.
I would be crafty as fuck. "Son, call all your friends, have them bring purses/backpacks big pockets and shit. We're smuggling it out!" Just have anyone you knew come take some every time they left.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Cops can get a warrant for piddly shit in any decent sized city in a couple of hours. Cultivation in damn near every state is a felony even for a dinky grow like that. I have heard of swat teams going after people for less. But granted that grow was small enough the kid could of sent it down the garbage disposal in about 20-30 minutes.
[–]z3r0_nothing 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Yeah basically, my thinking was, if he refused it could be GONE in less time than it would take them to get a warrant. Granted, I'd be in there bawling my eyes out while I had to destroy it all. Trying to figure out if I could hide any of it well enough they didn't find it. Shit like that makes me wonder who ratted him out. OMG... I wonder if it was his little shit of a son. He was all, ITS MY DADS COME ON IN!
[–]rs999 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
This exact same situation was covered in Barry Cooper's Never Get Raided. That poor family should have sat down and watched the chapter about what to do when the cops show up with and without a warrant.
[–]Mookhaz 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Yeah, he didn't even ask for a warrant. >.<
[–]REXXXXXX 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
true.
[–]PeterWiggin 40 points41 points42 points 2 years ago
The incredible amount of inspiration and excitement that woman exhibited in mindlessly following the incongruous instructions of some iniquitous government imbecile makes me sick to my stomach.
[–]a_cup_of_juice 37 points38 points39 points 2 years ago
YOU GOT UR TIME CARD PULLED LOLOLOL THIS IS A JOKE I LOVE PLAYIN COPS AND ROBBERZ
[–]bigwangbowski 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago
She's gonna get to keep her high-paying job while a guy who can't find employment now has to go to jail.
[–]DanWallace -7 points-6 points-5 points 2 years ago
Guy who can't find employment should have spent more time looking and less time smoking.
Unless he didn't want to find a job and preferred to spend his days smoking... we can't all live the life you want, dad!
[–]michaels138 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago
grow up
[–]bigwangbowski 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Dude, you're either too serious for this board or your grasp of irony far exceeds mine
[–]michaels138 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
=]
[–]DanWallace 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Why am I being downmodded? You people honestly advocate being a burnout for your entire life because you can't stop smoking long enough to get your shit together? I totally support anyone who wants to use the stuff and still live a fulfilling and meaningful life, but if you can't handle both then stop.
[–]bigwangbowski 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago*
Right... look, Dan, if he lived out of his car and resorted to thievery to continue his lifestyle, we'd all agree with you. However, his house looked pretty nice. His wife probably works a good job while he takes care of the domestic side. There's more to this story than we know, but you just go ahead and condemn the man. We probably interpreted that as a general condemnation of anyone who chooses to drop out and smoke weed and still not turn into a fuckup. He was married, had kids, and instead of working, smoked weed at home. Until the cops came, there was no problem for anyone.
[–]DanWallace -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago*
I'm not condemning anyone. I'm saying that if I was unemployed, I wouldn't be smoking 4-5 joints a day.
Not to mention that growing weed in the house when your kids still live with you is horribly irresponsible. Don't get me wrong, I smoke daily and I fully support legalizing it so we don't have to deal with this garbage, but I have a good job, my own place, I never have enough that I'm in danger of facing any legal trouble if I get caught, and most importantly, I don't have a fucking teenager living with me who would suffer along with me should I ever get busted.
[–]jamesgreddit 27 points28 points29 points 2 years ago
Fuck - what an absolute fucking massive waste of time, money and resources.
[–]ddrt 27 points28 points29 points 2 years ago
As I'm watching this all I can think of is "If this was a meth house it would be vacant and dirty" I've seen meth busts they are horrible, people get hurt and it's very dangerous... these cops have it so fucking easy and are acting like Marijuana is a huge fucking thing... god damn this makes me angry.
[–]Mookhaz 17 points18 points19 points 2 years ago
Why is this still acceptable to the public? Don't our police have better things to be doing?
Talk about crime. This is a crime of the state on the citizens they are supposed to be protecting, and serving.
What a pity, America.
[–]NancyReaganTesticles 36 points37 points38 points 2 years ago
fuck the police
[–]col381 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago
fuck the stupid laws
[–]Eff-the-Hive-Mind 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
Fuck the police.
[–]UbiDubiumIbiLibertas 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago
I bet at the end of the day those cops think they are fucking superheroes.
A complete waste of time, effort, and money.
[–]whoisthedrizzle 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago
I'm not sure that the cops thought they were doing anything wrong at all. It looked like business as usual. Nor did she sound like she was conflicted. At all.
[–]naysayer123 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
Yeah, she obviously didn't think of the guy as evildoer scum but they didn't give a shit about him anyways
[–]cyanidepoison 45 points46 points47 points 2 years ago
"I'm addicted."
No, you're not, buddy.
[–]Zhorik 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
Psychological addiction is still addiction. People can get addicted to WoW, why not pot?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago*
I was addicted to gambling once. Psychological addiction can really mess you up.
[–]jakx 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Thats almost a physical addiction though.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago*
There's reason to believe it's straight up physical. I heard a segment on WNYC's Radiolab (great show, btw, everyone should listen) about an older woman who developed Parkinson's Disease. Parkinson's, as I understand it, basically involves the blocking off of the areas of your brain that produce dopamine, and the symptoms that you observe (shakes, etc) branch off from that.
Anyway, this lady's doctor put her on a new Parkinson's treatment that encouraged the dopamine centers in her brain to start producing again, and she became a compulsive gambler, losing all her life savings, a complete tragedy. The doctor took her off the drug and...no more urge to gamble, but the Parkinson's did come back.
"Psychological" addiction might well be a distinction without much of a difference.
People who habitually smoke marijuana can get addicted. It isn't a physical addiction, per se, in the way that nicotine or heroin is. However, there is definitely a mental addiction involved. There are many side withdrawal side effects such as insomnia and depression.
That said, neither of us really know if the guy truly was or not.
My mom is an addict turned drug and alcohol rehabilitation counselor. We are a liberal family, and she knows I smoke every day.
The first time I quit for a year I went through about 2 months of terrible insomnia, followed by 3 months of depression.
Only after about 6 months did I start to feel better.
Many habitual smokers use marijuana as a crutch, and just knowing that you can't use your habit to lean on is a powerful mindfuck.
[–]Moj0 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
Come on. You do get addicted if you smoke everyday.
The thing is, though. The addiction is very easy to pull yourself out of.
Atleast thats my experience.
[–][deleted] 52 points53 points54 points 2 years ago
let's not carelessly toss around the word "addiction". chemical dependency is a serious condition, and withdrawal symptoms can be fierce- from the irritability, jitteriness and food craving that comes with tobacco withdrawal to the more serious symptoms of herion withdrawal.
"i kinda want some weed" is not a symptom of marijuana withdrawal, because marijuana is not addictive. "psychologically addictive" is just another way of saying "habit forming", and in this regard marijuana is as dangerous as reddit.
[–]rabel 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago
Preach it, Preacher! This is a ridiculous argument.. that guy was just saying he was addicted because he's a fucking moron. He's got a great green thumb, but he's a fucking moron. And his kid is a moron too.
[–]naysayer123 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
How was the dad a moron?
[–]Garbagio 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago
He's a nice guy but didn't teach his son the first thing about talking to policy enforcement with an operation that's a little hard to ignore. He claims he's addicted but that word is loaded, though it's very to-the-point.
If you ever feel pressured, just imagine the person approaching you is wearing a cute dinosaur outfit and has a badge. They enforce policy of the store of cuddly animals and want you to admit to them that you work for that store too so they can bust you for defying the store's rules.
[–]kvnmccrmck 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago*
I agree, but you're arguing semantics. By a very strict, technical definition there's no way to be addicted to weed. If you smoke 4-5 joints a day, however, for 35 years, most people will agree that that qualifies as addiction. This, like you said, is the exact same with reddit. If you spend 4-5 hours a day on reddit, mark my words, you're addicted.
"Habit forming" and "addiction" can mean the same thing, and often times do.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
i suppose it is "semantics" to argue that different words have distinct meanings. however i find that it makes communication more effective if we come to an understanding about the definition of words.
an apple is a fruit, for example, but if i ask for a fruit, i may get a banana instead. so it helps to use specific terms when trying to communicate.
so, addiction (by the strict, technical definition) is distinct from a habit. i don't see any point in arguing about this, as anyone can see that these terms have different meanings. and "addiction" is tossed around so frivolously as an excuse, a rationalization, and a scare-tactic i think it's important to look at the actual meaning of the term.
[–]kensul 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago*
"Addiction" means different things to different people. There's really no consensus about what it means, even in scientific circles.
[–]jakx 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
But physical addiction has a precise meaning. Drugs that are physically addicting: heroin, nicotine, alcohol .
ok, so why use a word that has no clear meaning, then?
people like to smoke weed. since it's not addictive, and we don't even know (according to you) what addiction means, why use that word?
it just seems to diminish the significance of chemical dependancy to apply that term to such a silly thing as weed.
[–]Garbagio 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I imagine it's for the sake of brevity. People use proper words to describe emotional connections rather than the true, written meaning everyday.
[–]kvnmccrmck 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
you've gotta be kidding me. I'm not about to enter into a philosophic debate. All I'm saying, man, is that when people use that word, they often mean something other than the textbook definition. Just a fact of reality. I agree with you that there's a distinction, but until there is a new word that encompasses the fully distinct meaning of mental addiction, you've gotta be mindful of the duality of the word.
words (in the specific sense) don't have dual meanings. if you're telling a joke, o.k. but when you discuss something as devstating as chemical dependancy, it's proper to use words as if they mean something specific.
I'm just at a loss as to how you think every conversation either can be or must be (I'm not sure which you're saying) strictly technical. For meaning to be conveyed, you have to account for the human side of things. You can't have a conversation with a dictionary or a computer. Meaning is created in complicated chemical and abstract processes sparked by words. Like I've been saying, I totally agree with the distinction you are making, but the semantics are all wrong.
if you don't use words correctly or precisely, expect to be misunderstood again and again.
are we really arguing about whether marijuana is addictive? you know it's not, but for some reason you want to say that it is. well, whatever, man.
the moon isn't really made of green cheese, but sometimes people say it is. so is it or isn't it? .... it's not.
and if we feel it's important to be able to say that the moon is made of green cheese, or that marijuana is addictive, i gotta wonder, why? what do we gain by stating obvious untruths?
You are equating the notion that someone who habitually smokes 4-5 joints a day for 35 years could be considered an addict with an "obvious untruth." This is a man who is probably psychologically incapable (note -- and this is where I totally agree with you -- not physically incapable) of waking up without toking up.
Calling him an addict is a very different thing than saying the moon is made out of cheese. (You can actually argue the latter, not very effectively, but you can.) You can certainly argue the former, and completely dismissing such argumentation as you have is ... intellectually dishonest at best. By doing so, you've completely closed off an entirely valid perspective on marijuana and personal interactions with it.
We aren't arguing about whether weed is addictive. Weed is just a plant. You can smoke it if you want to get high. What we are arguing about is whether someone can become addicted to it. Yes, they can. In the same way that people can be addicted to WoW or fatty foods.
There's simply a nuance in the meaning, the semantic meaning, the connotative, higher order meaning, of the word 'addiction' that for whatever reason you just don't want to acknowledge. I don't get it man. But expect people to look at you funny when you argue that someone who weighs 400 pounds and eats micky d's for three meals a day isn't addicted. (Interestingly, if he were to stop his habit, he would have all sorts of physical problems: withdrawal if you will. By your argument, that would make it a chemical dependency. Obviously that's not what you're saying, but it was just an interesting thought.)
[–]pkonink 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
the fully distinct meaning of mental addiction
Isn't that called habituation?
I've never heard that word before, but yeah that sounds pretty valid :)
Have you fucking seen reddit lately? That's chemical dependency.
[–]Anon1991 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago
For me, it's more like I gotta smoke it if I got it, the same way I gotta eat Twizzlers if I got 'em. It's not an addiction, it's a guilty pleasure.
[–]seemefearme 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago*
I like to call it 'dependent'. For instance, if I was going to watch a show, I would smoke before hand because I find it more enjoyable to watch something high.
I'm going cold right now to pass drug screens for jobs in my new town. I brought a half with me for the move, smoked it all, and the first day was like "Ugh." I didn't feel like watching anything because I thought it would be boring. But it's like day 8 now and I'm fine, watching shows just usual and it's no big deal.
But I've done the same with cigarettes, too. I usually smoke one cig after a bowl because it boosts the high a bit. I've done that for about 5 months now and I have no pangs for nicotine. It just depends on you.
[–]clickforth 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
Do you see people "addicted" to marijuana breaking into houses for a fix?
[–]cyanidepoison 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago*
You're right, but there are two different kinds of addiction.
You do heroin everyday, you're addicted. You smoke weed everyday, you're not addicted like the person is addicted to heroin.
There was a posting with a study of how many people feel any withdrawal symptoms more than just wanting it mildly, the number was VERY low.
[–]Mookhaz 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
lol. oh god. now i read the rest of these posts. Anyway, the reason that studies on marijuana are difficult to gauge is because research is typically partisan one way or another. There are very few studies, if any, that aren't conducted by either the government or pot activists (who typically smoke weed and have an agenda of legalization). Not to discredit those potheads, but a bias shows in all research.
[–]Criminoboy 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago*
There is no debate - there hasn't been any for a long time. All the peer reviewed literature, from all of the top journals are quite clear - marijuanna is NOT physically addictive.
The time you will see it mentioned as being physically addictive is in government and ideological propoganda.
[–]Mookhaz -7 points-6 points-5 points 2 years ago
I wasn't arguing that it could cause physical addiction? In fact I agree it doesn't. Maybe you replied to the wrong comment?
[–]TehDMV 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
peer reviewed literature is not equal to pot activists.
[–]Moj0 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
You are right. Also, quitting cigarettes is way harder than quitting weed.
Almost everyone of my friends have trouble sleeping up to 7 days after taking a break. could an answer to this be, that we smoke hashish instead of weed?
[–]cyanidepoison 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
I don't have enough experience with weed or drugs in general to answer that, sorry!
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[–]cyanidepoison 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
The question seemed directed at me.
Chill out man...
[–]seemefearme 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
My dreams have been vivid and I've been kind of waking up more frequently during my sleep a week and a day after quitting. That's all I've noticed.
[–]Hedonopoly 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I took a three month hiatus after smoking for over 4 years daily. I have had VERY vivid dreams. When smoking, I always smoked myself to sleep, and never remembered my dreams. I had a brief (like two nights) period where I had difficulty sleeping, but that passed quickly. I now have incredibly vivid dreams. I actually wake my girlfriend up because I'll be talking to someone while dreaming, or make a quick body movement because of what's happening in the dream. I've also found that I'm able to lucid dream again, which I haven't experienced in years. I miss the ganj sometimes, but I'll never be that daily user again. I like having my dreams back again.
[–]pkonink 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago*
They fade with time also once your body is used to it. After even just a few months you will be back to normal, albeit with a slightly elevated amount of dreaming. But man, that week after quitting makes it all worth it. I was fucking talking to god there for a little while, great stuff.
[–]jayd16 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago*
Sure it's addicting. In the same way Heroes is addicting...
[–]LSdancer -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
Come on, Reddit is more addicting. I smoked almost every day from the beginning of the spring semester until I got back to school and my homework took 5+ hours a day after classes. It wasn't an issue to stop, it wasn't an option to continue.
[–]77_65_65_64 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I am...
[–]DustinR 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
Im addicted to reddit. So what? Its something I like to do. I dont get the shakes going without reddit and I dont get them going without bud either.
[–]77_65_65_64 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
Our definitions of addiction are different then. If I go w/out bud, I get very irritable. I've been a pothead since 2000, and I have to say it's tough not to smoke.
Same here. However, after couple of weeks off the hashish, I'm back to status quo again.
[–]77_65_65_64 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Yeah, a break will do that. I've had a steady cash flow and I live in the ghetto more or less now, so it's not hard to find, plus I don't really want to quit.
[–]REXXXXXX 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago
Guys, there's physical addiction, and psychological addiction. Marijuana is not physically addictive, but it certainly is psychologically addictive. I smoke every day. Except today. And I WANT to smoke, but I'm not going through "withdrawls". It is certainly much harder to quit smoking cigarettes than weed. So please dont go around saying "I'm addicted to weed" when you're really not, because it does nothing to help our battle for legalization.
Look I agree with most of your post, but I'm more addicted to cigarettes, that doesn't mean I'm not addicted to pot.
[–]REXXXXXX 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
I'm more addicted to cigarettes too. And taking a break from EITHER will result in me being irritable tomorrow. BUT. It's still 2 different kinds of addiction. Anyway, light one up for me will ya? Now I REALLY want to blaze =(
[–]77_65_65_64 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago
haha, yeah...you prove my point, more or less. I see no reason not smoke, we al die someday. granted if I had never partaken in said smoking I might be more ambitious, but the question is: Does it matter?
[–]d3r3k1449 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Yep there's no physical addiction thank god but I definitely need to have some or I'm grumpy as hell and very irritable and cant think about much else. Need = addiction as far as I'm concerned. And then I get more upset for being so upset in the first place just because I can't get high.
[–]janhamm3r 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
You could quit anytime you want, right? You just don't want to. It's okay, I feel the same way.
[–]JustJonny -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
I dont get the shakes going without reddit
Do you get headaches? Does your blood pressure skyrocket? Do you get nauseous or irritable? Spending a lot of time doing something isn't a measure of addiction. Physiological side effects of withdrawal are.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago
The one man that never hurt anyone, never aided crime, and had no criminal record now has his life ruined over a handful of plants. Fuck the drug war.
[–]ninety 24 points25 points26 points 2 years ago*
What a bitch!
[–]tehbored 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago
That man is probably going to prison. He could be anyone's father. It's sick that this kind of thing happens.
[–]mista0sparkle 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago
"I need to grow bud, I'm addicted, I can't afford to buy it." Fucking hate this shit.
[–]tobadiah 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago*
A friend of mine got popped (55 plants, only 8 flowering) recently and the cops weren't as nice. They knocked at 8:30am. He opened the door in his boxers with his hands up. They tackled him, busted his nose up (you can even see it in his mug shot). He had no weapons, $16 bucks in the bank, and only a small amount of change actually in the house. Who was he hurting? No one. He only dealt to his family (mom and grandma for medical). What a shame. http://www.wtoc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10064137 :(
[–]Hedonopoly 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago*
I hate cop math so much it makes me want to punch babies.
Edit: formatting
[–]rs999 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago
Dear cops, some people grow for their own consumption or the pride of growing like the 4H-ers and their giant pumpkins. Please turn your gun towards the Al Capone's you created in Mexico and inner citie America. Thanks.
[–]waxexegesis 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
This is why I pay tax dollars? :/
[–]Marutar 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
This whole thing has to be set-up to teach kids to cooperate with officers. If not... I hope my kids aren't that dumb.
[–]rightc0ast 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago*
Kids are that stupid. Hopefully not at 17+ like this kid ... but when younger, they are.
I don't smoke pot. I'm from the hood though. Moved out, grew up, etc. Don't read much into this, I think pot is A-OK. I just don't smoke. Risk-reward not favorable in my own subjective preference choices.
Anyway ... Riding bikes the other day, my son saw a friend playing in a yard. He didn't know the kid lived there, so we went ahead and knocked on the door to invite the child and the mom to the upcoming birthday party for said son. They came, they left, good time had by all.
The next week, mom called and wondered if the kids should hang out again, and I invited the kid over. Mom left, I set the kids up with some slip and slide, then they came in and colored.
My kid drew a bathtub with a purple shower and a "scared Coraline" inside.
The other kid drew a big glass bubbler and said "pipes are made of pretty glass with lots of colors".
I told the kid how nice the pipe looked, and brought it in to laugh my ass off with the wife about how lucky mom was they weren't drawing that in school.
I think I cost my kid a friend, because they haven't called in 3 weeks and don't pick up when we call. I tried to be helpful, but it spooked the mom I suppose. I told her what the kid drew (let them bring thier "art" home), and told her don't worry, that even though I don't smoke I am against the war on drugs, and just thought she should figure out some way to talk to a 6 year old so they don't draw that in school or something and cause an issue.
End the Drug War. It's a war on us, the people.
"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
I hate that fucking show. It's just a big one hour clusterfuck of women dressed up as prostitutes looking for lonely guys to arrest, and the shit like this.
This TV show pisses me off more than anything.
Really shows what are cops are up to these days. Hint: It doesn't involve catching criminals.
[–]JKZR7 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
i'm addicted to the internet.
will something ever so personal ever be considered illegal? WE'LL SEE!
[–]smaerdnekorb 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
fuck this
[–]ddrt 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
When this pot head decided going to a dealer was costing him too much money, he learns that growing your own at home comes with a much greater price.
Who writes this? How Politically Incorrect.
[–]knotdv8 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago
Stick with your drug dealer.
And he'll give you the sticky icky.
[–]robotlou 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
I saw this episode. It was a super awful heartbreaker. Just fucked but thats the risk you run these days. Reading all the "how to grow" threads and seeing all the pics this is such a lost cause but whatever. Work to change it.
[–]mikepixie 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
The worst thing about this for me is the way she behaves like a TV star while she arrests the dude. WTF??? I spose its better that there were cameras there so he didnt get his head kicked in but jeeez.
So frustrating to watch this stuff when you think that Booze is freely available and they still give Ritalin to children.
[–]ashleymarieeee 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
that poor guy.
[–]emmettjes 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
That just pisses me off.
[–]olleman 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
This just bums me out, man.
[–]Russkie177 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
And of course, they police think they've done nothing wrong.
[–]Brittsuntree 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago
what the fuck, they didnt even let the man finish the phone call, oh yea and he made it apparent to say im an "ADDICT", when charged he'll get off with papers and rehab or some stupid shit like that. FUCK COPS.. I hope the mom beat the shit outta her kid for rattin out his dad.
[–]wingman187 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
The video does not want to work for me :(
It really irked me every time she she was "just doing my job" and "we gotta do what we gotta do"
[–]Anonymousfury 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
HAH he keeps very calm, says 'I don't drink, I don't abuse anyone..' haha like 'I'm just a chill guy, it's not that big of a deal, I'm not trying to deal or make money off it' and she even admits it. He did something 'wrong'.
What, grew a plant that he smokes and enjoys. Where is this proof of it's negative effects? He's got a nice house, a few nice plants, his son seemed well enough, happy. Wife is with him and loves him so he phones her up. What is wrong with this situation is that for some reason the 'law' thinks it can come into someone's privacy and tear things apart!
[–]incomplete 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Don't ever let anyone in, with out a search Warrant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[–]dizzle67 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
absolutely disgusting. i understand the police were simply doing their job, but for our government to enforce laws like this that without a doubt do more harm than good...that is disgusting. and the taxpayers get to pay for all of this bullsh*t.
[–]Spacelab 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
that kid needs to watch Never get Busted Again
Breaking the Law
[–]bassalt 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago*
Eliminate Government/Central Banks ability to stretch the money supply and you eliminate its ability to fund these wars by creating money out of thin air. End the Fed. End the Bank of Canada.
That is just ridiculous..
[–]smokinblunts 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Sigh. :(
[–]jamesj 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
fuck them
[–]schimmi 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
She [the police officer] says that it sets a bad example for the kid, but if the man is not being violent to another human being, then there really is no bad example.
[–]polymorph505 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
This is the same douchebag that brought us "Kid Nation". I would like to see some kind of proof that this show is actually real and not more reality TV bullshit, because from what I've seen these "cops" have been way out of line more than once already.
[–]J0llyR0ger 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I'd hit that.
Than smoke a joint and blow it in her face after.
[–]attackoftheisland 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago*
Thank you for your declaration that smoking a plant is not morally reprehensible. You know should apply to be a mod-here
[–]richard_gere_ 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
does anyone else get the feeling that they just went and sold that shit on the streets after the cameras went away?
OHHH FUUCK YOUUU LAAAAAAWWW
[–]m4ever 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
The police are shitheads for backing up the worthless politicians.
[–]InTheMistByTheHills 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I cant believe they tore down all his equipment. That was so tight.
[–]DT7 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
His son is a moron, he shouldn't have even answered the door and called his dad immediately to figure out what to do.
[–]cowlick 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I rarely comment, but this is just disgusting.
[–]tpr1m 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm going to be sleeping better tonight knowing that lunatic is off the streets.
[–]efil4dren 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
How do you figure the cops knew they were doing something wrong? They sounded fine with it from what I heard. Pretty happy to be busting a criminal, if anything.
[–]CrazyCatLady -4 points-3 points-2 points 2 years ago*
At the end of the day. No one gives a fuck when these black and blues die anymore... and that should fucking worry them. How can they live with themselves? Have they a single iota of decency or common sense?
[–]DanWallace -7 points-6 points-5 points 2 years ago*
Cops don't make laws, genius. It's their job to enforce them. What's with the idiot stoner mentality of hating on cops just for being cops?
[–]savaticus 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago
Just because something is against the law. doesn't make it wrong. Blindly enforcing the law just because it's the law, is morally wrong. Likewise, doing something you know is wrong, just because it's legal is the same.
[–]NetworkMeUp 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
Eh, I'll agree with you that there's no reason to hate on cops just because they're doing their job. In fact, 99% of the time I agree with you - cops are there to protect the law. And I always go out of my way to thank them for it.
But when it comes to this particular situation, watching some narcissist police women bust into that guy's house while he's gone at work... it gets under my skin a bit. It should bother you, too.
He wasn't selling, he was growing his own Marijuana because he didn't want to go through drug-dealers (which is probably less-safe), it should bother everyone that this stuff is still illegal.
It's Marijuana, people. It's less harmful to your body than alcohol and cigarettes. Get over it. Legalize it. Tax it. ...And this is coming from a Conservative.
[–]DanWallace 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago*
You're preaching to the choir, but it still doesn't make any difference. Are you going to sit there and tell me that cops should make a decision about which laws they should or should not uphold based on their own personal opinions? I'm sorry, but that's foolish. Cops protect us. Our society would not and can not exist without them. Despite the smear pieces you see on the internet, most cops are damn fine people. But they don't get to pick and choose which laws they want to enforce. So when I see some idiot like CrazyCatLady saying that he wouldn't care if they live or die for no other reason than for doing their job, I can't support that.
Once again, this is not a decision for the police to make. Downmod me as much as you want, but I'm still right.
[–]NetworkMeUp 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Now I'm in 100% agreement with you.
Upmoded for being right. ;-)
[–]liverpoop 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
ahem, nazis and orders and stuff.
[–]horrorshow 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
Yeah, they're just following orders, right?
[–]DCMurphy 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Right, except that the police just did some things that normal people aren't allowed to do: 1. Trespassing. The came onto the property without permission, entered the house by using... 2. Extortion. They come up to the door with their hands on their guns (the whole time in the beginning of the video they're straddling that Glock) to convince a kid to let them in somewhere they don't belong. The hand on the gun is partly to keep him from getting at it, but it's much more psychological than that. This kid's never had a gun pointed at him before, they're trying to scare him into letting them in. 3. Theft/Vandalism. Destruction of personal property. They break this guys lights and steal the plants he was growing in his house. They cut up a bunch of expensive equipment that this guy purchased. 4. Kidnapping/Taking Hostage. They take this guy away in their car against his will, and the only way they're going to let him go is if his wife shows up to their base with the cash. And it's only cash, they don't take checks or major credit cards. Only cash.
Anyone else does that in society and they're held liable. But these fuckers do it just because they passed a written exam (which judging by some of the cops I know and their intellectual capacity is easy as shit) and a few field tests.
These guys enforce the law, but they never enforce by example. Fuck the police, support the militia state. We don't need some board deciding who gets to enforce the law. Citizens arrest can be a valuable tool, and our militia and neighborhood watch groups, if properly armed and executing their rights, are much more efficient to handle this situation... not power hungry swine.
[–]CrazyCatLady -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago*
100% sick of that line. It does not fly. They are an oppressive force that has blurred the line between criminals and citizens by choosing to(or allowing others to) wage war upon our neighbors, friends, and family. They kidnap us, humiliate us, and rob us of our liberties when we have done no harm.
No law should imprison a person that hasn't harmed anyone and no human would enforce one. I appreciate police work and assistance in regards to stolen property, violence, and intimidation. They do not need to be locking people up in situations like the posted video - plain and simple.
Our government needs to get the hell out of our lives, cars, and living rooms. They can deal with the people who are actually hurting others and defrauding the system and our economy. Pot smokers and personal growers aren't hurting society. "Speeders" going above the speed limit by a few miles per hour aren't hurting anyone.
We are supposed to allow those who have the ultimate responsibility to protect us to instead hurt those who harm no one while true victims of crime wait for help. Madness.
[–]DanWallace -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
"Speeders" going above the speed limit by a few miles per hour aren't hurting anyone.
You completely lack common sense.
[–]CrazyCatLady -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago
lol. ok.
[–]DanWallace 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
And you downmod people for disagreeing with you.
You made an incorrect and libelous statement. On the other hand I did not downmod your other posts.
[–]cthulhufhtagn -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
That's extremely depressing.
Not just that somebody went to jail, but that all that weed will have to be 'destroyed' (one bonghit at a time) by the police.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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