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[–]Kanflict 6 points7 points ago

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2010 Lexus Camry for sale $15,000 OBO

[–]ExceptionHandler 19 points20 points ago

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Sometimes it is. Mine has both on the headstock (normal Fender logo with "Squier Series").

[–]kerm 2 points3 points ago

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Yeah, I had a Precision Bass in the early 90's that had the Fender logo big and the Squier logo small underneath it. It was supposedly a step up from the ones that had their respective logo sizes/placements reversed. I think mine was Korean.

[–]gaso 2 points3 points ago

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Yea, mine is Korean too.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 5 points6 points ago

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Haha AMAZING comment/username synergy!

Your case is indeed an exception, and your guitar is definitely not the same junk that Squier is putting out today. I also bet you'd be conscientious enough to represent your guitar correctly (As a "Fender 'Squier Series'" if you decided to sell it on CL.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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The squier classic vibe guitars are nicer than many "Fender" logo guitars I've played over the years. I'm with you on correctly listing what you have for sale, but the world is more complicated than "squire junk, fender good".

[–]tha_snazzle[S] -5 points-4 points ago

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I never said Squier is junk, those CVCs are indeed excellent. All my OP said is that they are not the same.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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your guitar is definitely not the same junk that Squier is putting out today.

okay, well whatever :) Have a good one...

[–]squiresRjunk -3 points-2 points ago

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Squires are junk!

[–]redditdogmasquad 0 points1 point ago

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So you haven't had any problems with people putting Epiphones up as Gibsons?

I was told that the only difference between my Epiphone Les Paul Studio and a Gibson was that it was made abroad... (and of course, the logo) is there something else?

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 4 points5 points ago

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You were told wrong, my friend.

  • The Epi studio has generic alnico pickups, the Gibson has 490R and 498T pickups, the same kind Gibson uses on way more expensive Les Pauls

  • The Epi has generic pot metal tuners, the Gibson has vintage style Grovers

  • The Epi has a satin poly finish, the Gibson has a hand-applied gloss nitrocellulose finish

  • The Epi uses generic small size pots and other generic electronics, the Gibson uses full size pots and other Switchcraft brand electronics

  • The Gibson uses an advanced fret-leveling and nut-cutting system to set the action and intonation, and the Epi doesn't

  • The Epi is solid and the Gibson is chambered

I'm sure there's more, but my point is that they are definitely not identical except for where they were made.

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[–]postdarwin 1 point2 points ago

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But as a general rule of thumb, Gibson is usually better than Epiphone.

A gem of understatement.

[–]kevin19713 0 points1 point ago* 

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I always get downvotes for this, but the country of manufacture makes a huge difference. Now, let me make this clear, some of the imports are good and not all of the US guitars are good, but from my personal experience(22 years of playing Epiphones, Squires, Gibson's and US Fenders) the US ones, for the most part, have been vastly superior. Of course someone with a squire is gonna tell me that he has a great guitar, and I don't doubt him, but if you were to grab 10 random American deluxe strats and compare them to 10 random squires, I'm sure that you'd find that the guitars made in Corona CA are way better. The only time when the foreign guitars were almost as good was back in the early '80's, when CBS were making junk Fenders in the US and the Japanese Squires were excellent guitars. And the other thing you won't see when buying a guitar is the soldering and wiring. I had a couple of Mexican strats back in the day and the wiring was shit, the pots were also shit and I can't remember how many times I had to bust out the soldering gun. My current US strat, I've had for 11 years with no problems at all. I've had an SG for about 6 years with no issues either(although I hardly ever play it).

[–]squiresRjunk -1 points0 points ago

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Yeah the wiring, pots, frets and wood. There is more to a guitar than just looks. If you have ever owned a Fender(real Fenders are made in Corona CA or Fullerton Ca) you would know that what matters is tone, for good tone you need good wood(the Squires are made cheap from multiple pieces of wood, they are not solid body like real Fenders) and good pick ups. Playability, the new Fender Deluxe Strats come ready to play(no setup needed), they have polished frets and you barely have to touch the them. Good luck with the wiring on your fake Fender(unless its a MIJ) keep a soldering gun handy. Those pots will start to go soon and they will sound scratchy when you turn(that if they work at all). No matter how many down votes I get it won't change the fact that you get what you pay for. I've only owned 4 real Fenders, 2 fake ones and I've only been playing for 25 years, so you'll probably get better advice from some teenager with a new Squire on here.

[–]jamesinc 0 points1 point ago

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My headstock also reads "fender squier". It's a 5-string bass. I bought it second hand, and it turned out to have noisy pots, so I rebuilt the circuitry and now it's pretty great. Sorry, getting off-topic.

[–]ozone_00 3 points4 points ago

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Nor is an LTD an ESP.

[–]funkmon 1 point2 points ago

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This one I think can be fudged. Few people look for an LTD MH-400, where a lot of people look for an ESP.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Ah yes, not my style of guitar so I don't shop for them on CL but I imagine that also comes up often

[–]pocketboy 2 points3 points ago

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Haha! Just twenty minutes I was browsing Craigslist and thought the exact same thing.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Same ignorant advertising on Ebay too... I feel bad for people who fall for these.

[–]dougb 6 points7 points ago

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Same problem trying to find a genuine Les Paul telecaster. All I keep finding are fender knockoffs.

[–]legatobebop 6 points7 points ago

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Craigslist is a cesspool.

[–]vanostran 5 points6 points ago

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But it's a lovely cesspool.

[–]redditdogmasquad 1 point2 points ago

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If you're into cesspools, sure.

[–]kevin19713 2 points3 points ago

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I've got some great guitars, drums and recording gear on Craigslist and never been disappointed. Ebay on the other hand is a real shit hole with countless conmen.

[–]discord 1 point2 points ago

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Search Fender -Squier or Gibson -Epiphone.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 2 points3 points ago

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My whole point is that they don't even use the words "Squier" or "Epiphone." So if I used your search trick, those guitars would still come up.

[–]discord 3 points4 points ago

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oOoh, gotcha. Yea, that is annoying. Epiphones do not even say Gibson on them. There is no excuse.

[–]NELyon 5 points6 points ago

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Some Epiphone models have the word Gibson on the truss rod cover, I've found.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah and a lot of CL sellers think that gives them carte blanche to advertise them as Gibsons

[–]Luminal 0 points1 point ago

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My ol' Epi Les Paul had Gibson on the truss rod cover. I have a proper one now thank god.

[–]AnoNJGESP/LTD Fender[!] 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, I have an LP Special II that does.

[–]CasualDave 0 points1 point ago

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This is an Epiphone! My first real guitar and I wish I still had it.

[–]MuzikMan8691 0 points1 point ago

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I know exactly how you feel

[–]EvanConover 0 points1 point ago

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Why not? It works if you're desperate to sell it.

[–]pyro138 0 points1 point ago

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I also have this fine Esteban guitar package I could sell you! It's real nice!

[–]MattKronik 1 point2 points ago

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Please post pics of you standing on it to prove its durability.

[–]tibbon 0 points1 point ago

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I fully agree. You see, "Fender Stratocaster - $300" and you're like, "Ok, i'll check this out". Only in the photo do you see its actually an overpriced Squier.

I also rather dislike the ads that won't say where the guitar is made. I'm not going to pay $800 for a MIM or MIJ Strat, but a MIA one I will.

[–]khmr33 1 point2 points ago

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I don't know... I bet some of the older MIJ Strats are nicer than than modern American Standards.

[–]rcran 0 points1 point ago

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True, IMO.

Let's not forget that Japan dominated manufacturing back then, in general.

[–]papadelicious 0 points1 point ago

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yeah, my guitar teacher was always telling me to pick up a MIJ strat if I had the chance, although I don't think I've ever actually seen that many.

Ibanez prestiges are also mfg. in Japan, definitely some good quality axes coming out of there

[–]rcran 0 points1 point ago

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On a related note, the early (80's/early 90's) Japanese made Squier/Student model Stuff is fantastic quality.

[–]etherreal 0 points1 point ago

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Did you post a rant on the Boise Craigslist this week?

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Haha no, I couldn't be farther from Boise.

[–]kerm 7 points8 points ago

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Haha no, I couldn't be farther from Boise.

Lucky you.

[–]etherreal 0 points1 point ago

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Funny, because I saw a nearly identical CL rant there.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 1 point2 points ago

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These problems, they are universal to snobs like me.

[–]ElDiablo666 1 point2 points ago

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It's not snobbery to ask for a minimum level of honesty in advertising a product for sale. When I bought my first guitar, it was a Squier Strat, made by Fender. If Squier is its own brand now it should be advertised as such. Epiphone, however, was never a Gibson.

I will say that I think it's ok to use related keywords. When searching for scooters, many people falsely believe Vespa means scooter, so when I sell one it always includes Vespa as a keyword whether it is or not.

[–]Patrick5555 0 points1 point ago

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its not what you play its how you play it. if you need a more expensive guitar to sound good then get the fudge out the business

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah, that's why all the pro guitarists play Squiers. Besides your comment has nothing to do with the original post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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It took me a lot of searching to find a guitar I really like the sound of. I'm really impressed with venturas

[–]JoePrey 0 points1 point ago

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Example?

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 14 points15 points ago

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Here is a frustrating email conversation I had with a Craigslist seller who insisted right to the end that what she had was a Fender, and NOT a Squier, even though it said "Squier" in huge letters right on the headstock.

[–]kaosjester 11 points12 points ago

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My favorite apart of this e-mail is the following:

You: Is it a Squier or a Fender? Her: No it isn't.

[–]locriology 1 point2 points ago

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I think your clue might have been when she mentioned it was from a start-up kit.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Oh I knew it was a Squier the whole time, I just wanted her to change what her ad said so she wouldn't be misleading.

Guess what, she did!

[–]bobovski[!] 0 points1 point ago

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That is super frustrating. Sometimes, getting any useful information about ads on CL is next to impossible.

I also hate ads like this one: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/msg/1867206329.html. That guitar costs $600 brand new (without the stupid sticker, even). Argh.

[–]hearforthepuns 2 points3 points ago

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But DC kicks ass.

[–]bobovski[!] 0 points1 point ago

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OK, you've convinced me!

[–]mooglor -1 points0 points ago

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You can't blame the guy for trying, caveat emptor and all that. But you're presenting him a false dichotomy when you ask him is it a Fender or a Squier (in fact you asked "squire so he was technically correct in saying it wasn't one, although yeah he was being disingenuous, fair enough). If you'd just asked "Is it a Fender Squier Stratocaster?" it would have cut to the chase faster.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 8 points9 points ago

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I NEVER spelled it Squire! She is the one who misspelled it the whole time!

You're missing my point completely. Whether or not Fender OWNS Squier, a Fender Strat and a Squier Strat are two VERY different products, and should be advertised accordingly.

[–]mooglor 1 point2 points ago

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I NEVER spelled it Squire! She is the one who misspelled it the whole time!

Oh you're right, I apologise.

a Fender Strat and a Squier Strat are two VERY different products,

Absolutely.

and should be advertised accordingly.

I think you might be asking too much here. In this ideal world we wouldn't see prices ending in 99 and there would be no such thing as small print. It's just human nature for people to be assholes and try to mislead to rip other people off. But a Fender Stratocaster is a Fender Stratocaster whether Squier or not, it's just a matter of implication or inference.

[–]ElDiablo666 0 points1 point ago

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It's also human nature to be kind and fair and honest. The truth is that no one understands human nature, probably never will. We can just study its effects.

[–]pocketboy 0 points1 point ago

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I feel your pain. Shhh, be calm now.

[–]EtherCJ 0 points1 point ago

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I can blame the guy for trying. Why can't you?

[–]Aikidi 0 points1 point ago

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Dear guy who clearly doesn't understand how selling shit on craigslist works - nobody ever searches "epiphone" or "squier", but a shitload search for "gibson" or "fender". A little dishonesty is necessary to sell that shit.

Also, use some common sense. Nobody is going to sell you a Les Paul for $200. Don't waste your time clicking that shit. You know it will be an Epiphone.

[–]KuchDaddy 0 points1 point ago

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A little dishonesty is necessary to sell that shit.

:-(

[–]daysi -1 points0 points ago

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Mine says Gibson and Epiphone on the headstock, so there. Anyways, some Epiphones are awesome guitars.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 3 points4 points ago

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I'd even say that most Epiphones are awesome guitars, but that still doesn't make them Gibsons.

[–]daysi -1 points0 points ago

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Then why does mine say Gibson on the headstock?

That's a bit of a stretch. Epiphones are ... inconsistent. You can find some that are nearly as good as LP standards, and some that make even Fender guitars look good.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 3 points4 points ago

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Are you saying that because your guitar says Gibson on the truss rod cover, that the brands Gibson and Epiphone are interchangeable? One and the same? No different?

[–]daysi -1 points0 points ago

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Not at all. I'm saying that my Epiphone Les Paul is a Gibson. In fact it says so right on the headstock. Look at it this way: Epiphones are Gibsons, but Gibsons are not necessarily Epiphones.

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 2 points3 points ago

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So if someone says "hey what kind of guitar is that?" what do you say?

[–]daysi -1 points0 points ago

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I would say "Learn how to read".

[–]tha_snazzle[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Jesus, ok fine, if someone said "what kind of guitar DO YOU HAVE?" and it was packed away in its case in your bedroom 10 miles away, then what would you say?

[–]daysi -1 points0 points ago

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An Epi Paul.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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A waste of 300$?

[–]cyancynic -5 points-4 points ago

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An Epiphone is a Gibson in the same way that a Mercury is a Ford.

[–]IsoscelesJonesGibson/Martin 5 points6 points ago

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That's not really a fair comparison, the Mercury's share the parts bin with Ford and are at least equals and often betters. Asian Epiphones share nothing with their American counterparts.

Now give me a vintage Epiphone Riviera anyday.

[–]cyancynic 0 points1 point ago

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They share designs though.

[–]daole 2 points3 points ago

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Bad analogy. An Epiphone is to a Gibson as a Kia is to a Lexus.

[–]Luminal 1 point2 points ago

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Does anyone else feel that Fender has rather polluted there brand over the years with the Squires, MIM. MIJ etc.. To me it ain't a proper 'Fender' unless it's made in the USA. At least Gibson had the good grace to properly distinguish Epiphone and Gibson.

[–]razzark666 2 points3 points ago

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Agreed I have a really nice Fender American Deluxe Strat and when I tell people I got a nice Strat they don't believe me that its a real good guitar until they get to play it... The Fender name has been diluted...

[–]kevin19713 2 points3 points ago

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That American Deluxe Strat is a beautiful guitar, its the best guitar they've made since the pre CBS years. I have an American Deluxe Strat and an American Deluxe Jazz bass. I love them, the Gibson's stay in their cases, I just like to play the American Deluxe's.

Warning: I think that there are a lot of young kids and beginners on here with little experience, they will down vote you to oblivion for saying that Squires are junk(only 95% are junk but 100% of the modern ones are).

[–]cc132 1 point2 points ago

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Almost. Mercury is one of Ford's luxury brands.

[–]cyancynic -1 points0 points ago

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Really? Back in the day I had a Maverick. I thought it was a slick little car (I was 16 and it was nearly new). The Merc version was the Comet - (often nicknamed 'vomit') and it had a MUCH uglier trim package.

But OK - if you say so.

Anyhow, its just another label - E has traditionally been the down market G.

[–]cyancynic 2 points3 points ago

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Huh. This is a testament to how poor Merc design had fallen during my automotive formative years (the 70s)