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Dear dumbasses on Craigslist: An Epiphone is not a Gibson and a Squier is not a Fender! (self.Guitar)
submitted 1 year ago by tha_snazzle
This drives me nuts.
[–]Kanflict 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
2010 Lexus Camry for sale $15,000 OBO
[–]ExceptionHandler 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
Sometimes it is. Mine has both on the headstock (normal Fender logo with "Squier Series").
[–]kerm 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Yeah, I had a Precision Bass in the early 90's that had the Fender logo big and the Squier logo small underneath it. It was supposedly a step up from the ones that had their respective logo sizes/placements reversed. I think mine was Korean.
[–]gaso 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Yea, mine is Korean too.
[–]tha_snazzle[S] 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Haha AMAZING comment/username synergy!
Your case is indeed an exception, and your guitar is definitely not the same junk that Squier is putting out today. I also bet you'd be conscientious enough to represent your guitar correctly (As a "Fender 'Squier Series'" if you decided to sell it on CL.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
The squier classic vibe guitars are nicer than many "Fender" logo guitars I've played over the years. I'm with you on correctly listing what you have for sale, but the world is more complicated than "squire junk, fender good".
[–]tha_snazzle[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago
I never said Squier is junk, those CVCs are indeed excellent. All my OP said is that they are not the same.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
your guitar is definitely not the same junk that Squier is putting out today.
okay, well whatever :) Have a good one...
[–]squiresRjunk -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago
Squires are junk!
[–]redditdogmasquad 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
So you haven't had any problems with people putting Epiphones up as Gibsons?
I was told that the only difference between my Epiphone Les Paul Studio and a Gibson was that it was made abroad... (and of course, the logo) is there something else?
[–]tha_snazzle[S] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
You were told wrong, my friend.
The Epi studio has generic alnico pickups, the Gibson has 490R and 498T pickups, the same kind Gibson uses on way more expensive Les Pauls
The Epi has generic pot metal tuners, the Gibson has vintage style Grovers
The Epi has a satin poly finish, the Gibson has a hand-applied gloss nitrocellulose finish
The Epi uses generic small size pots and other generic electronics, the Gibson uses full size pots and other Switchcraft brand electronics
The Gibson uses an advanced fret-leveling and nut-cutting system to set the action and intonation, and the Epi doesn't
The Epi is solid and the Gibson is chambered
I'm sure there's more, but my point is that they are definitely not identical except for where they were made.
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[–]postdarwin 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
But as a general rule of thumb, Gibson is usually better than Epiphone.
A gem of understatement.
[–]kevin19713 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago*
I always get downvotes for this, but the country of manufacture makes a huge difference. Now, let me make this clear, some of the imports are good and not all of the US guitars are good, but from my personal experience(22 years of playing Epiphones, Squires, Gibson's and US Fenders) the US ones, for the most part, have been vastly superior. Of course someone with a squire is gonna tell me that he has a great guitar, and I don't doubt him, but if you were to grab 10 random American deluxe strats and compare them to 10 random squires, I'm sure that you'd find that the guitars made in Corona CA are way better. The only time when the foreign guitars were almost as good was back in the early '80's, when CBS were making junk Fenders in the US and the Japanese Squires were excellent guitars. And the other thing you won't see when buying a guitar is the soldering and wiring. I had a couple of Mexican strats back in the day and the wiring was shit, the pots were also shit and I can't remember how many times I had to bust out the soldering gun. My current US strat, I've had for 11 years with no problems at all. I've had an SG for about 6 years with no issues either(although I hardly ever play it).
[–]squiresRjunk -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Yeah the wiring, pots, frets and wood. There is more to a guitar than just looks. If you have ever owned a Fender(real Fenders are made in Corona CA or Fullerton Ca) you would know that what matters is tone, for good tone you need good wood(the Squires are made cheap from multiple pieces of wood, they are not solid body like real Fenders) and good pick ups. Playability, the new Fender Deluxe Strats come ready to play(no setup needed), they have polished frets and you barely have to touch the them. Good luck with the wiring on your fake Fender(unless its a MIJ) keep a soldering gun handy. Those pots will start to go soon and they will sound scratchy when you turn(that if they work at all). No matter how many down votes I get it won't change the fact that you get what you pay for. I've only owned 4 real Fenders, 2 fake ones and I've only been playing for 25 years, so you'll probably get better advice from some teenager with a new Squire on here.
[–]jamesinc 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
My headstock also reads "fender squier". It's a 5-string bass. I bought it second hand, and it turned out to have noisy pots, so I rebuilt the circuitry and now it's pretty great. Sorry, getting off-topic.
[–][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
This is still a Squire. NOT a Fender. If it is made in Korea at all you should consider it a Squire series.
[–]ExceptionHandler 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Mexico, actually.
[–]couragewerewolf 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
i have the same one, apparently they were only made for a short period of time and are similar to the standard mexican strats; only they have cheaper pots and a thinner tremelo block
[–]gameforge 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Actually it's "Squier", and the location of production has nothing to do with it being a Fender or not - you go by the name on the factory where it was made.
The Squier that ExceptionHandler is describing is indeed a legit Fender guitar because it was made by Fender employees at the Fender factory in Ensanada, Mexico. Simply crafting it to a more economic standard, while important to disclose in a sale, does not mean it's not a Fender guitar.
There are even some very rare US-made Squier guitars that were built with ordinary US-made Fender pickups. They fetch a high price and you'd be an idiot to sell one simply as a "Fender Strat".
Indeed most Squiers are made by contractors who made Fender clones before Fender ever approached them about "Squier", and I don't think it's right to call those "Fender" guitars. I'd actually contend that Warmoth or Charvel make more authentic Fender parts/guitars than Squier, since both makers are licensed by Fender to produce Fender's trademark shapes (like the headstock), but also because they meet Fender's quality specs and thus both are licensed by Fender to make OEM/replacement parts for real Fenders... Squier makers certainly don't have that. I think Fender will even send you official decals for such parts if your claim is valid.
[–]cijdl584 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
so what's a standard fender strat made in mexico?
[–]ozone_00 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Nor is an LTD an ESP.
[–]funkmon 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
This one I think can be fudged. Few people look for an LTD MH-400, where a lot of people look for an ESP.
[–]tha_snazzle[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Ah yes, not my style of guitar so I don't shop for them on CL but I imagine that also comes up often
[–]pocketboy 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Haha! Just twenty minutes I was browsing Craigslist and thought the exact same thing.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Same ignorant advertising on Ebay too... I feel bad for people who fall for these.
[–]dougb 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Same problem trying to find a genuine Les Paul telecaster. All I keep finding are fender knockoffs.
[–]legatobebop 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Craigslist is a cesspool.
[–]vanostran 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
But it's a lovely cesspool.
[–]redditdogmasquad 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
If you're into cesspools, sure.
[–]kevin19713 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I've got some great guitars, drums and recording gear on Craigslist and never been disappointed. Ebay on the other hand is a real shit hole with countless conmen.
[–]discord 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Search Fender -Squier or Gibson -Epiphone.
[–]tha_snazzle[S] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
My whole point is that they don't even use the words "Squier" or "Epiphone." So if I used your search trick, those guitars would still come up.
[–]discord 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
oOoh, gotcha. Yea, that is annoying. Epiphones do not even say Gibson on them. There is no excuse.
[–]NELyon 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Some Epiphone models have the word Gibson on the truss rod cover, I've found.
[–]tha_snazzle[S] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Yeah and a lot of CL sellers think that gives them carte blanche to advertise them as Gibsons
[–]Luminal 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
My ol' Epi Les Paul had Gibson on the truss rod cover. I have a proper one now thank god.
[–]AnoNJGESP/LTD Fender[] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Yeah, I have an LP Special II that does.
[–]CasualDave 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
This is an Epiphone! My first real guitar and I wish I still had it.
[–]MuzikMan8691 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I know exactly how you feel
[–]EvanConover 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Why not? It works if you're desperate to sell it.
[–]pyro138 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I also have this fine Esteban guitar package I could sell you! It's real nice!
[–]MattKronik 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Please post pics of you standing on it to prove its durability.
[–]tibbon 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I fully agree. You see, "Fender Stratocaster - $300" and you're like, "Ok, i'll check this out". Only in the photo do you see its actually an overpriced Squier.
I also rather dislike the ads that won't say where the guitar is made. I'm not going to pay $800 for a MIM or MIJ Strat, but a MIA one I will.
[–]khmr33 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I don't know... I bet some of the older MIJ Strats are nicer than than modern American Standards.
[–]rcran 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
True, IMO.
Let's not forget that Japan dominated manufacturing back then, in general.
[–]papadelicious 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
yeah, my guitar teacher was always telling me to pick up a MIJ strat if I had the chance, although I don't think I've ever actually seen that many.
Ibanez prestiges are also mfg. in Japan, definitely some good quality axes coming out of there
On a related note, the early (80's/early 90's) Japanese made Squier/Student model Stuff is fantastic quality.
[–]etherreal 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Did you post a rant on the Boise Craigslist this week?
Haha no, I couldn't be farther from Boise.
[–]kerm 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Lucky you.
Funny, because I saw a nearly identical CL rant there.
These problems, they are universal to snobs like me.
[–]ElDiablo666 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
It's not snobbery to ask for a minimum level of honesty in advertising a product for sale. When I bought my first guitar, it was a Squier Strat, made by Fender. If Squier is its own brand now it should be advertised as such. Epiphone, however, was never a Gibson.
I will say that I think it's ok to use related keywords. When searching for scooters, many people falsely believe Vespa means scooter, so when I sell one it always includes Vespa as a keyword whether it is or not.
[–]Patrick5555 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
its not what you play its how you play it. if you need a more expensive guitar to sound good then get the fudge out the business
Yeah, that's why all the pro guitarists play Squiers. Besides your comment has nothing to do with the original post.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
It took me a lot of searching to find a guitar I really like the sound of. I'm really impressed with venturas
[–]JoePrey 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Example?
[–]tha_snazzle[S] 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Here is a frustrating email conversation I had with a Craigslist seller who insisted right to the end that what she had was a Fender, and NOT a Squier, even though it said "Squier" in huge letters right on the headstock.
[–]kaosjester 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
My favorite apart of this e-mail is the following:
You: Is it a Squier or a Fender? Her: No it isn't.
[–]locriology 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I think your clue might have been when she mentioned it was from a start-up kit.
Oh I knew it was a Squier the whole time, I just wanted her to change what her ad said so she wouldn't be misleading.
Guess what, she did!
[–]bobovski[] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
That is super frustrating. Sometimes, getting any useful information about ads on CL is next to impossible.
I also hate ads like this one: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/msg/1867206329.html. That guitar costs $600 brand new (without the stupid sticker, even). Argh.
[–]hearforthepuns 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
But DC kicks ass.
OK, you've convinced me!
[–]mooglor -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
You can't blame the guy for trying, caveat emptor and all that. But you're presenting him a false dichotomy when you ask him is it a Fender or a Squier (in fact you asked "squire so he was technically correct in saying it wasn't one, although yeah he was being disingenuous, fair enough). If you'd just asked "Is it a Fender Squier Stratocaster?" it would have cut to the chase faster.
[–]tha_snazzle[S] 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I NEVER spelled it Squire! She is the one who misspelled it the whole time!
You're missing my point completely. Whether or not Fender OWNS Squier, a Fender Strat and a Squier Strat are two VERY different products, and should be advertised accordingly.
[–]mooglor 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Oh you're right, I apologise.
a Fender Strat and a Squier Strat are two VERY different products,
Absolutely.
and should be advertised accordingly.
I think you might be asking too much here. In this ideal world we wouldn't see prices ending in 99 and there would be no such thing as small print. It's just human nature for people to be assholes and try to mislead to rip other people off. But a Fender Stratocaster is a Fender Stratocaster whether Squier or not, it's just a matter of implication or inference.
[–]ElDiablo666 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
It's also human nature to be kind and fair and honest. The truth is that no one understands human nature, probably never will. We can just study its effects.
[–]pocketboy 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I feel your pain. Shhh, be calm now.
[–]EtherCJ 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I can blame the guy for trying. Why can't you?
[–]Aikidi 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Dear guy who clearly doesn't understand how selling shit on craigslist works - nobody ever searches "epiphone" or "squier", but a shitload search for "gibson" or "fender". A little dishonesty is necessary to sell that shit.
Also, use some common sense. Nobody is going to sell you a Les Paul for $200. Don't waste your time clicking that shit. You know it will be an Epiphone.
[–]KuchDaddy 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
A little dishonesty is necessary to sell that shit.
:-(
[–]M0j0j0j0 -6 points-5 points-4 points 1 year ago
I think you mean an Epiphone is not a Les Paul and a Squier is not a Telecaster. An Epiphone is indeed a Gibson, and a Squier is a Fender.
[–]anarchytoday 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago*
Epiphone Les Paul: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Standard-Plus-Top-Electric-Guitar-102040508-i1149990.gc
Squier Telecaster: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Squier-Affinity-Series-Telecaster-Special-Electric-Guitar?sku=515115
I think he means when people advertise a gibson on craigslist when they have an ephiphone, A lot of people do it. When they do it's stupid.
It's like advertising that you are selling a lexus, when you really have a toyota.
Edit: here is an example, you click the title which says fender, to find out it's a squier in the post. http://sacramento.craigslist.org/msg/1862700459.html
[–]M0j0j0j0 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Totally, thanks for make that clear. I think we're all saying the same thing, a Gibson Les Paul and an Epiphone Les Paul are barely in the same ballpark, as is with the Squire Telly and an original Fender Telly, or Strat for that matter. It's getting harder and harder to filter out the bullshit on craigslist. But honestly, if you pay Gibson Les Paul money for a Ephiphone without doing the research, you deserve what you get.
[–]some_cool_guy 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
a Gibson Les Paul and an Epiphone Les Paul are barely in the same ballpark
ಠ_ಠ
[–]mooglor 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Edit: here is an example, you click the title which says fender, to find out it's a squier in the post.
Yes, a Fender Squier telecaster. Sure I understand you don't like the omission in the title but saying that a Squier is not a Fender is simply incorrect.
[–]EtherCJ 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Saying a Fender Squier Telecaster is a Fender Telecaster is simply incorrect. Which is what many people do.
It is not incorrect, it is misleading. It depends entirely on what you mean by "Fender Stratocaster". Does it mean the Fender Stratocaster brand or a Stratocaster guitar that happens to be made or licensed by Fender?
I notice you posted to craigslist from your iphone. Was that an Apple iPhone or a Foxconn iPhone?
[–]anarchytoday 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
If I sell you a Fender Strat online and you get it in the mail and open the box (after paying me) to find a Squier Strat by Fender, you won't ask for your money back, because it's the same thing right?
It's incorrect, because it's misleading.
BTW: No one sells Foxconn iPhones.
[–]helpingfriendlybook 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
What about all those Epiphone's that say Les Paul on them?
[–]EddieVolcano 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
As I understand it Epiphone is Gibson and Squier is Fender but they were originally for people on a lesser budget. They build the same models to a similar spec but the materials are cheaper making them more affordable. This also means tone etc. is compromised a bit though.
In more recent years both companies have grown and now offer some pretty decent guitars and have some pretty major endorsments. Andreas Kisser from Sepultura has endorsed Squier for years and Lars Fredriksen from Rancid has always played an Epiphone (I can only think of those two examples at the mo)
Like anarchytoday said above, saying an Epi is a Gibson or a Squier is a Fender is like saying a Toyota is a Lexus or a Nissan is an Infiniti.
They're owned by the same company and make very similar models, but they're not the same brand.
[–]IsoscelesJonesGibson/Martin 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
It is completely accurate to say Gibson Epiphone Les Paul. That is their official title and branding. I sympathise with you in regard to people shortcutting to "Gibson Les Paul" when they mean Epiphone but it'd be a step too far to suggest they can't mention Gibson. This is just the same for Squier - although they are often known and branded as Squier by Fender they had previously been "Fender Squier" and before that again they were just "Fender" with a Squier annotation on the ball of the headstock.
For the record I am a gear snob and only own Custom Shop Gibsons, Fender USA and Martin. I only say this in case you think I am being an apologist.
[–]evilpeter 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Squire actually does make a telly also - like the Squire Telecaster that Deryck Whibley uses. It's officially "Squier by Fender". It's the same company.
And Epiphone does indeed make Les Pauls - which are officially known as such. It's the same company.
Why get pissed at people on craigslist for referring to their axes as what they are actually called? Get pissed at the companies.
A Porsche boxter is still a Porsche. Everybody knows it's not a 911. Just like everybody knows that a Squier is not the same as an American Fender, and that Epiphone is one of Gibson's lines.
[–]gorehound1313 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Epiphone was the biggest and best American arch-top Guitar Company. Gibson was known as a mandolin company. In the 30s-40s Epiphones were considered much better than Gibson Guitars.
It's officially "Squier by Fender". It's the same company. And Epiphone does indeed make Les Pauls - which are officially known as such. It's the same company.
It's officially "Squier by Fender". It's the same company.
Well, they're divisions of the same companies, but it is not the same BRAND. Whether or not Fender is associated with Squier and Gibson is associated with Epiphone, all I'm saying is that people should not say they're selling a Gibson when they're selling an Epiphone.
Also, it's spelled "Squier," not "Squire."
[–]evilpeter 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
that was obviously a typo - you yourself quoted me spelling it correctly. I will be more careful next time.
But don't get me wrong - i totally agree with you that representing an epiphone as a gibson, or squiER as a fender is retarded. Somebody else in this thread likened it to calling a toyota a lexus. Clearly that's wrong. I was just trying to point out that, that being said, gibson and fender really do make epiphone and squier guitars branded with the same names as the 'grown up' versions.
Why does that piss you off? It seems to me that if people think Epiphone is a low end brand, the instruments will be less expensive and unless you are Gibson, that's a good thing.
I think pissed off was too strong a term to use. It's more just a pet peeve. - also I have a George Benson epi, which is one of my fav guitars, and I don't like when people diss my baby.
[–]kaosjester -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Epiphone is not one of Gibson's lines, though. That's like saying Mercury is one of Ford's lines. If someone sold you the Mercury-equivalent of a Toyota Corolla and called it a Corolla the whole time and sold it as a Toyota Corolla, but it was in fact the Mercury clone, would you be okay with that?
[–]evilpeter 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Epiphone is a division of Gibson.
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Support/GibsonCorporateDirectory/
For all intents and purposes, it is therefore a line of Gibson's. According to the wikipedia article, Epiphone manufacturing licenses are granted by Gibson.
That still doesn't mean that an Epiphone guitar IS a Gibson guitar
No, an Epiphone is a guitar manufactured in China or Korea or other Asian countries, depending on the current contractor, under licenses from its parent company, Gibson, that does not say Gibson anywhere on it (okay, yes a few models used to say it on the truss rod cover) and is not a Gibson. A Gibson is a guitar that is made in America by American luthiers and says Gibson right on it.
Almost the same story applies to Fender/Squier, but many Squiers DO say "by Fender" on them.
Many Craigslist sellers use the relationship between Epi/Gibson and Squier/Fender to misrepresent their products in their listings, either out of sheer ignorance or to get more people clicking on them. AnarchyToday is dead on with the Toyota/Lexus comparison.
I have no problem with Squier OR Epiphone. Both companies make some excellent guitars, but if you're going to sell one, don't be deceitful, just say what you have and you'll get a fair price for it!
[–]mooglor 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I have no problem with Squier OR Epiphone. Both companies make some excellent guitars
Except that they're not companies, Squier is Fender and Epiphone is Gibson.
[–]kaosjester 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
So Mercury is Ford? They're the same company? Totoya is Lexus? Man, I didn't realize that a Lexus was so cheap - and they they made a Corolla series.
Mercury is a Ford marque. It may not be a fair comparison because it doesn't say on the back of a Mercury "Mercury, by Ford", if it did, then you could understand people saying that they had a Ford.
[–]tha_snazzle[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Well, no, Squier is a separate company owned by FMIC.
At any rate, they are different brands.
[–]IsoscelesJonesGibson/Martin 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
FMIC?
FENDER MUSICAL INSTRUMENT CORPORATION?
Sure, but Jackson, Charvel, Gretsch, Tacoma, etc. are also owned by FMIC. If someone tried to sell me a Fender DKMG Dinky or a Fender White Falcon, I would be skeptical. Squier is only different than those other subsidiaries because their business model is making low-cost Fender copies.
Yeah, I know what FMIC stands for, but my point is that Fender and Squier are not the same company, speaking in strict business terms. Squier is a separate company owned by Fender, which is a corporation.
FMIC = Fender Musical Instruments Corporation.
A Squier Stratocaster is also Fender Stratocaster (but not a "Fender Stratocaster®")
[–]IsoscelesJonesGibson/Martin 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Actually several Epiphones are made in the USA on the Gibson USA production line, much as they were until Norlin took over. You can easily spot them because they cost a grand more than the other Epiphones, the Epiphone Wilshire being a good example along with certain Casino reissues.
Yeah, I guess that is true, but Gibson never made a Wilshire or a Casino.
I'm just talking about the people who misrepresent their Epiphones (usually Les Pauls or SGs or acoustic models) as Gibsons.
The Casino is the same guitar as the ES-330, only differing in headstock and plastic colouring.
Yeah I'm with you on the frustration about mislabelling products, I just think it's a step too far to pretend they're not related.
Oh yeah, you're absolutely right! I forgot about the 330. I'm not pretending they're not related, but I guess I can see how it seems that way.
For the record: the next guitar I plan to buy will be an Epi Casino. :)
[–]daysi -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Mine says Gibson and Epiphone on the headstock, so there. Anyways, some Epiphones are awesome guitars.
[–]tha_snazzle[S] 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I'd even say that most Epiphones are awesome guitars, but that still doesn't make them Gibsons.
Then why does mine say Gibson on the headstock?
That's a bit of a stretch. Epiphones are ... inconsistent. You can find some that are nearly as good as LP standards, and some that make even Fender guitars look good.
Are you saying that because your guitar says Gibson on the truss rod cover, that the brands Gibson and Epiphone are interchangeable? One and the same? No different?
Not at all. I'm saying that my Epiphone Les Paul is a Gibson. In fact it says so right on the headstock. Look at it this way: Epiphones are Gibsons, but Gibsons are not necessarily Epiphones.
So if someone says "hey what kind of guitar is that?" what do you say?
I would say "Learn how to read".
Jesus, ok fine, if someone said "what kind of guitar DO YOU HAVE?" and it was packed away in its case in your bedroom 10 miles away, then what would you say?
An Epi Paul.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
A waste of 300$?
[–]cyancynic -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago
An Epiphone is a Gibson in the same way that a Mercury is a Ford.
[–]IsoscelesJonesGibson/Martin 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
That's not really a fair comparison, the Mercury's share the parts bin with Ford and are at least equals and often betters. Asian Epiphones share nothing with their American counterparts.
Now give me a vintage Epiphone Riviera anyday.
[–]cyancynic 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
They share designs though.
[–]daole 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Bad analogy. An Epiphone is to a Gibson as a Kia is to a Lexus.
[–]Luminal 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Does anyone else feel that Fender has rather polluted there brand over the years with the Squires, MIM. MIJ etc.. To me it ain't a proper 'Fender' unless it's made in the USA. At least Gibson had the good grace to properly distinguish Epiphone and Gibson.
[–]razzark666 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Agreed I have a really nice Fender American Deluxe Strat and when I tell people I got a nice Strat they don't believe me that its a real good guitar until they get to play it... The Fender name has been diluted...
That American Deluxe Strat is a beautiful guitar, its the best guitar they've made since the pre CBS years. I have an American Deluxe Strat and an American Deluxe Jazz bass. I love them, the Gibson's stay in their cases, I just like to play the American Deluxe's.
Warning: I think that there are a lot of young kids and beginners on here with little experience, they will down vote you to oblivion for saying that Squires are junk(only 95% are junk but 100% of the modern ones are).
[–]cc132 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Almost. Mercury is one of Ford's luxury brands.
[–]cyancynic -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Really? Back in the day I had a Maverick. I thought it was a slick little car (I was 16 and it was nearly new). The Merc version was the Comet - (often nicknamed 'vomit') and it had a MUCH uglier trim package.
But OK - if you say so.
Anyhow, its just another label - E has traditionally been the down market G.
Henry Ford disagrees with you. Mercury was created to produce more luxurious cars than Ford, while being more affordable than Lincoln.
[–]cyancynic 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Huh. This is a testament to how poor Merc design had fallen during my automotive formative years (the 70s)
[–]cartooncorpse -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
lol. You may be an diot. Sara Lee makes the exact same bra and it is sold at Kmart for $20 less than at Belk, just different label.
How do the components on the Epiphone - Gibson....Squier - Fender differ? Do you know for sure?
There are more differences than similarities. Just about everything is different:
Basically Epiphones and Squiers are entry level/beginner guitars that you can pick up for $150-$300. Gibsons and Fenders are top of the line and normally range from $1000-$4000.
A high-quality Fender/Gibson will have pickups in it that are more expensive than a Epiphone/Squier guitar.
[–]cartooncorpse -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago
Tell me about the wood quality. what do you know about it? can't you just swap out the pickups? tuners too. and end up cheaper?
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Squier uses agathis and basswood. They also use multiple pieces of wood in construction to prevent waste and to lower costs. Fenders typically use solid rosewood or maple.
This is a completely different feel. Believe me - go to any guitar center and hold the 2 guitars and you will feel the difference. Fenders are also much easier to play (better playability). If you try to bend a note on a Squier, the string will want to "slip" back to its normal position. This is due to the "slippery" feel of the low quality wood.
People do swap out components, but you are not going to get the same tone with a squier. Some people prefer this tone or feel. For example, Kurt Cobain would use strats made in Japan because he preferred smaller frets (he would replace the pickups).
If you simply swap out the tuners and pickups on a squier, you are not going to end up with a guitar as nice as an american strat. However, Fender did start making American strats that start around $700, so the gap is smaller now than in the past. I consider a quality strat to start around $1000 and you are not going to beef up a squier to equal a quality strat. When compared to a nice american strat, a squier has a shitty neck, body, tuners, pickups, and bridge.
[–]khmr33 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
The wood is usually tone wood, which is fine, just ugly compared to a high quality American Standard. That's why MIM's and Squire's are mostly solid color, poly finished. You'd never strip down and refinish a MIM Strat with nitro-cellulose laquer.
You can take one and replace the hardware and electronics, but if you're not careful you'll spend enough that you could just buy a nice used American Standard.
You can't just replace the pickups... the pots, jack, 5-way, wiring all have to go. More recent guitars will have ROHS compliant solder, which might as well be peanut butter. Good thing I still several spools of real solder.
[–]cartooncorpse 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
thanks for the insight. I'm a drummer. It can only help my case to have some knowledge like this when talking with guitar players.
i wondered how the wood mattered at all in an electric guitar.
I'm not sure what "an diot" is but yes, I do know for sure.
[–]cartooncorpse -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
So...how do they differ then exactly? Tell me. That wasn't a rhetorical question.
Man, there are way too many differences to begin to list here.
While you're at it, why don't you head overto the gaming subreddit and call people diots for talking about the differences between Xbox and PS3?
they are made by SEPARATE companies. nitwit.
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