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[–][deleted] 300 points301 points ago

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General phoniness and cooler-than-thou attitude

[–]rhllor 70 points71 points ago

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Whoa, just like reddit!

[–]uiberto 52 points53 points ago

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Confucious ask: Is man who genuinely cooler-than-thou still called hipster?

/meditation-gong

[–][deleted] 62 points63 points ago

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He's called Steve McQueen

[–]r00kie 10 points11 points ago

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Watch the movie, "On any Sunday" about motorcycle racing in the 70s. Steve McQueen is fairly central and certainly proves that he is cooler then just about any one.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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it streams on Netflix. excellent movie. yes, steve M was the man.

[–]ascendant23 23 points24 points ago

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Someone who's truly cooler than everyone in the room won't act cooler-than-thou, or attempt to draw attention to it in general

[–]HipsterJesus 26 points27 points ago

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I achieve cooler-than-thou status by sitting near an open window.

[–]RedditCommentAccount 8 points9 points ago

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Deep.

[–]onefingerattack 5 points6 points ago

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http://novascone.com/are-you-a-hipster-in-denial.html

A hipster will rarely admit to being one.

[–]stickypenguin 12 points13 points ago

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yeah, they're all phonies.

[–]pswii60 15 points16 points ago

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Holden Caulfield?

[–]stickypenguin 8 points9 points ago

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who wants to know?

[–]sleepypanther 2 points3 points ago

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jimmy ray?

[–]tank777 3 points4 points ago

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It's so phony it makes me sick.

[–]myrridin 6 points7 points ago

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I swear to god it would make you puke, it really would.

[–]bowling4meth 14 points15 points ago

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THEN WHO WAS PHONY?

[–]quinoa 16 points17 points ago

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..what group of people don't exhibit those attributes though? 10 seconds on reddit and i'll find people like that

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points ago

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  • Cheese Makers

  • Morris Dancers

  • Médecins Sans Frontières

  • Australians

  • ...

[–]dillona 18 points19 points ago

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You're from Australia, aren't you?

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points ago

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You got me!

I'm and Australian Cheese-Making Morris Dancer

[–]dxtr8 2 points3 points ago

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... working for MSF?

[–]mrjack2 21 points22 points ago* 

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As a New Zealander, I know that there are a lot of bad things to say about Australians, but general phoniness and cooler-than-thou attitudes are not among them.

[–]Kowai03 6 points7 points ago

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Yeah we have tall poppy syndrome to stop that!

[–]prob_not_sol 5 points6 points ago

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agreed, but keep in mind we have our fair share of aussie hipters. and they are fuck-knuckles.

[–]glengyron 2 points3 points ago

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Crikey we're cool.

[–]ilovesocks 9 points10 points ago

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Blessed are the cheese makers

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Who doesn't have that attitude?

[–]jsbisviewtiful 2 points3 points ago

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I'm also a hipster. I don't think I'm better than you and I genuinely care about my friends and the well-being of others. I also wear Hanes v-necks from Target and not from Urban Outfitters or American Apparel. All about the person, not the look.

[–]catdogg 14 points15 points ago

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I have a lot of friends who are hipsters. They never struck me as any more or less phony than all the other people I meet on a daily basis. They are snobby, I'll give you that, but at least the ones I know are interesting, well-read, politically engaged and have decent taste.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

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Obviously anything I say is a crude over-generalization

the ones I know are interesting, well-read, politically engaged

I can only speak from my experience, but the ones I've met fake the above unconvincingly (pseudo-intellectuals)

and have decent taste

Wearing smelly old overpriced clothing, always drinking the finest aged Pabst, and are true aficionadi of American Spirit

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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My campus is dominated by hipsters, and unfortunately philosophy seems to be their newest "it" thing. They do seem to be well-read, but the real question should be if they read well. Who cares if you've read all of Plato's works; can you actually articulate an assessment of the work and, more importantly, defend your analysis? Many of the hipsters in my classes cannot.

Though I should also point out that pseudo-intellectualism doesn't only apply to hipsters; I see it everywhere, especially on social websites like Facebook and Reddit.

[–]runamok 7 points8 points ago

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These days I'll take even pseudo-intellectualism over rampant and willful ignorance.

Who cares if someone has read a vast body of work and has superior reasoning and exposition skills? At least they care enough to know something about various subjects.

Have you engaged many of these so called hipsters in discussion?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points ago

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Can fat people become hipsters?

[–]IDriveAVan 2 points3 points ago

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[–]diskfurnace 25 points26 points ago* 

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Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite band?

edit: Also, I wanted to point out that I thought it was funny that you claimed to live in Montreal before it was cool

[–]KigaMoosh 26 points27 points ago

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Ctrl+f "Montreal before it was cool". Poor hipster, digging his own ironic hole.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 8 points9 points ago

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Haha. It was always the coolest city in Canada as far as I was concerned.

[–]letsgocrazy 9 points10 points ago

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right before Montreal became a big "buzz" city for music.

"I am able to devine what is culturally important before everyone else, I set trends, everyone else follows them!"

Basically, hipsters are quicker at following trends than everyone else, and yet they hate people who follow trends - that is why they are always banging on about how they got in first.

Sadly, the irony they love so much is lost on them.

[–]DrGeraldKleeptis 12 points13 points ago

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of montreal.

[–]diskfurnace 5 points6 points ago

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I was actually hoping he would say that

[–]dylansfc 12 points13 points ago

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How do you feel about Reddit hating hipsters while at the same time being willing to remove 1-3 testicles for so much as a wink and/or smile from Zooey Deschanel?

[–]catdogg 25 points26 points ago* 

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I think a lot of guys are attracted to the hipster girl aesthetic but feel those girls are inaccessible so they end up resenting hipster guys that much more.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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Bingo.

[–]iforgot120 12 points13 points ago

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Everyone loves hipster chicks. They're so cute and they dress so well.

[–]LocalNative 5 points6 points ago

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[–]soitgoes159 100 points101 points ago

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Redditors are the hipsters of the internet.

[–]birdmanx35 45 points46 points ago

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Tumblr wins on this one, guys. Metafilter is the awkward-cute geek in his late thirties with sexy glasses and a week-old beard. Reddit is his early twenties engineering buddy, and Facebook is their nemesis. Or something like that.

[–]HipsterJesus 34 points35 points ago

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Something like THIS?

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[–]I_Has_A_Hat 11 points12 points ago

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Wait, what? Why isn't deviantART a shitty drawing of Sonic the Hedgehog fucking Amy or Tails?

FTFY

[–]jetsettosocal 10 points11 points ago

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Fuck yeah, deviantart. I'd hit that.

[–]terminusest 5 points6 points ago

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Facebook is the fucking class reunion committee made up of jocks, cheerleaders, student council.....

[–]scottcmu 4 points5 points ago

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Here are some pictures of my children doing completely normal things that aren't at all cute.

[–]rudeandginger 2 points3 points ago

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This would make a good comic...or something.

[–]ElectricRebel 4 points5 points ago

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Depends on the subreddit.

[–]PubLiic 11 points12 points ago

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Hipster is just another form of elitism.

That being said, fuck digg.

[–]laugh_riot 32 points33 points ago

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Why the tight pants? That can't be comfortable

[–]belafonte0991 23 points24 points ago

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How are hipster pants like a cheap hotel?

There's no ball room.

[–]papermountain 10 points11 points ago

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What's the point of having all of this goddamn loose cloth?

[–]tomrhod 38 points39 points ago* 

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It helps when you have balls.

[–]Aikidi 2 points3 points ago

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Actually, I picked up a pair of fairly tight Sevens that are the most comfortable jeans I've ever owned. I don't know how they are simultaneously fairly tight and also unbelievably flexible, but they are.

[–]tesseracter 2 points3 points ago

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im ok with hipsters wearing tight pants, but get a friggin belt that works! butt cleavage when squatting is bad, but hipsters cultivate that crack when they're standing straight up.

at least ghetto people wear boxers to cover their ass, even if they do wear their pants at their knees.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 5 points6 points ago

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I wear well-fitted pants. Its just what I've always worn, so I haven't gone out to buy the insanely tight pants that a lot of people wear. I like to have a bit of room to breath, but they are a little tight.

Also, the type of girls that I like tend to like guys who wear well-fitted jeans.

edit: this isn't entirely true. When I was a teenager, I wore "skater" jeans. They just got more and more tight over the years.

[–]Valsung 29 points30 points ago* 

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Goddamn it! You're removing flags that I occasionally use to pinpoint the homosexual in a crowd. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO FIND ANYONE NOW, WITH ALL THESE HIPSTERS AND METROSEXUALS JAMMING THE GAYDAR?

Stop caring about your appearance straight men!

and I am gay!

[–]hCORE22 170 points171 points ago

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Despite your pseudo-bohemian appearance and vaguely leftist doctrine of beliefs, you know nothing ABOUT art or sex that you couldn't read in any trendy new york underground fashion magazine...Proto-typical non-conformist. You are a vacuous soldier of the thrift store gestapo. You adhere to a set of standards and tastes that appear to be determined by an unseen panel of hipster judges-BULLSHIT-giving your thumbs up and thumbs down to incoming and outgoing trends and styles of music and art. "Go analog baby", "you're so post-modern". You're diving face forward into an antiquated past, it's disgusting! It's offensive! Don't stick your nose up at me!

You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends, pontificating to each other, forever competing for that one moment of self aggrandizing glory in which you hog the intellectual spotlight, holding dominion over the entire SHALLOW....POINTLESS...conversation. Oh we're not worthy.

When you walk by a group of "normal" people you chuckle to yourself, patting yourself on the back as you scoff. It's the same superiority complex shared by the high school jocks who made your life a living hell, makes you a slave to the competitive capitalist dogma you spend every moment of your waking life BITCHING about.

[–]papermountain 31 points32 points ago

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Quoting a Drive-Thru records band... how 2004 hipster of you!

[–]BasketCase 37 points38 points ago

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This is about Reddit, huh?

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 14 points15 points ago

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Hahaha. Part of the reason why I wanted to broach this subject was because I find a lot of the discussions on Reddit so similar to conversations my friends and fellow hipsters would have.

[–]Aikidi 5 points6 points ago

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I don't know any artist college students who aren't hipsters in some way.

[–]sweetlove 5 points6 points ago

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Because hipster is incredibly broad label. All you have to do is wear a scarf and suddenly you're a hipster. It's inane.

[–]bobshere 14 points15 points ago

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upvote for say anything

[–]Malignant_Narcissist 3 points4 points ago

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Hah, these guys crashed on my buddy's floor one time when they came through our city. They were awesome folks for sure!

[–]DavidBowie89 5 points6 points ago* 

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...could be a few assumptions in here...maybe.....

upvote for rage though

edit: downvote for excessive rage

[–]DaGreatPenguini 9 points10 points ago

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Maybe it's my advanced age, but I'm not threatened or frustrated by hipsters. I see them as going through a stage of young adulthood where they're trying to establish their own identities and through that, a sense of community with like minded people.

Every generation does this and every generation looks like fools as they try to 'create' culture. Welcome to life, hipsters - we've been waiting for you.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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What do you smoke?

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 16 points17 points ago

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I roll my own cigarettes.

[–]ohmyashleyy 33 points34 points ago

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Of course you do.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 13 points14 points ago

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Its cheaper.

[–]nburghmatt 3 points4 points ago

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fuck yeah it is.

[–]GiantGinger 2 points3 points ago

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I can vouch for this. Cheaper, less filler, taste better, smoke stronger. Rolling your own is just the smarter, non-lazy way to smoke tobacco.

Plus it hones your talent for rolling j's. +1

[–]scottcmu 8 points9 points ago

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You've probably never heard of the cigarettes I smoke. They're very obscure.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 14 points15 points ago

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Good for you. That joke is very obscure as well.

[–]imthemostmodest 2 points3 points ago

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Well, I'm sold. This guy's sense of humor seems ACTUAL, not ironic.

[–]sexzy 4 points5 points ago

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I smoked cigarettes before they were cool.

[–]desmo 40 points41 points ago

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Only a pretend hipster calls themselves a hipster. If you were a real hipster you would never call yourself such.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points ago

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true. all hipsters hate hipsters.

[–]pefyeah 9 points10 points ago

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How much more than you does your girlfriend weigh?

[–]llieaay 44 points45 points ago

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It's ironic hate. Most of reddit is Hipster.

[–]HipsterJesus 17 points18 points ago

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"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged,
and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye" - Matthew 7.1-5

[–]ManWithoutModemaskscience mod 27 points28 points ago

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get out of here hipster jesus, its not the time.

[–]HipsterJesus 11 points12 points ago

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"I am not swayed by men, because I pay no attention to who they are" - Mark 12:14

[–]DavidBowie89 5 points6 points ago

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The other day I was ranting about hipsters, and my little brother called me out. Said I was one of them. I realized....he was right.

Ever since then, I'm trying to keep on guard to not be a pretentious asshole, especially about music. I'm not that bad though. I'll generally give mainstream music a fair listen, and find about 25% to like. Also, I've never stopped listening to an artist because they achieved recognition. Actually, it makes me happy to know they're recognized :) . I think there's hope for me yet.

[–]karnoculars 27 points28 points ago

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Can we see a pic? It would help your hipster cred.

Do you think people hate hipsters because they seem to embrace the associated image that hipsters supposedly represent? In other words, do people hate hipsters because they like being called hipsters? Calling yourself a hipster means that you understand the stigma attached to the term, and you are ok with it, even proud of it. That, in itself, might make people dislike you. I don't think I'm making my point very clear, so I'll just stop...

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 22 points23 points ago

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I don't think many hipsters "like" being called hipsters. I know I don't. But I have accepted that people call my friends and I hipsters, before knowing anything about us. I know that they assume a lot of things about our personalities and interests.

I am proud enough of who I am. I've made some stupid choices in life, and I am in no way perfect. I live by the paycheck, and spend most of my money on art supplies and musical gear. I sometimes doubt if I'll ever make enough money to support a family, but I made the choice to persue arts and music because I love it. For now it is just something I'll have to live with.

But I'm always trying to improve who I am, and participate in my community in a positive way.

I don't think it is exactly clear why people hate hipsters so much, which is why I'm asking.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Your most genuine post and no responses. Here's an orangred for spending all your money on cool shit, and trying to be nice to people.

[–]catdogg 8 points9 points ago

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I suspect most people dislike hipsters because they think hipsters are judging them.

[–]Renovatio_ 21 points22 points ago

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Do you ride a fixed geared bicycle?

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 13 points14 points ago

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Nope. They're frightening. I have an old 10-speed that could use some serious fixing up.

[–]merrythoughts 17 points18 points ago* 

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As a gal teetering on the edges of hipsterism, I've got some questions: edit: For clarification, I'm involved in quite a few projects with people who identify as hipsters, and I at times associate with them socially (and usually have a great time!)

1) In your view, is being a hipster more about interests and hobbies or about fashion/how one represents oneself? Does it have to be the combination of the two? Judging from how you dove into your musical tastes, I would assume that's an important aspect as well.

2) How much of a hipster do your potential dates/love interests have to be? And is it important that your love interests are stick thin?

3) how skinny and how tall are you?

4) Do you drink heavily?

5) Do you have a lot of fellow hipster friends that you have fun hipster parties with?

For everyone else. My two cents about hipsters: While I have met some snooty, pretentious hipster girls and boys, the majority of them are very nice and very fun to be with-- if you give them a chance. They often have a high degree of insecurity and social anxiety, and they kind of deal with it by acting "too cool." Often times, when you get them comfortable and at ease, they'll totally geek out in endearing ways. I bet there are way more hipsters lurking in the shadows of Reddit than we realize....cause, I think they're usually very geeky and lonely at heart. Dun dun DUUUUN!

Then again, I'm only familiar with medium-city style hipsters. Maybe big city hipsters are much bigger asshats.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 9 points10 points ago

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ONE. Well I don't typically define myself as a hipster. It isn't a word I attach myself to, or really care about, but I know people define me by it. I just feel myself getting defensive when I hear people making generalizations about hipsters.

I think that there is obviously a huge fashion element to it. Thrift store clothes, 80s fashion, skinny jeans, side-swept hair, etc. I myself just sorta fell in to the style by inheriting clothes from roommates and friends, and I've always shopped at Thrift stores since I was in highschool.

But, there are people who fit the look less who are ultra-hipsters. Either because they are in all sorts of "cool" bands and make hipster art, or because they are completely and utterly obsessed with being at every cool event, and knowing everyone.

Usually fashion is the most unifying factor to hipsterdom, but this goes hand-in-hand with musical and artistic tastes. Most people might be surprised at the diversity of tastes. As one example, one of my good friends has a radio show that showcases all sorts of classic and modern death-metal, even though that is generally shunned by the rest of the community. But there is definitely a common aesthetic.

TL;DR its both interests, and fashion.

TWO: I like thin and small girls. Just personal preference. They don't have to be hipster at all.

THREE. I'm 6 foot, 145 pounds.

FOUR. I drink pretty regularly. Kinda binged at the beginning of the summer, but I've been taking it easy for the past couple weeks, staying at home and working on projects, reading Reddit, playing video games (It is a big no-no for a hipster to admit they play non-retro video games).

FIVE. I think that 7 out of 10 of my friends are what I would call hipsters. Honestly I used to get caught-up in the scene and being at all the cool parties a lot more.

And I agree with you. Most hipsters were nerds in school, and are very insecure. Also, very geeky.

[–]nburghmatt 7 points8 points ago

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THREE. I'm 6 foot, 145 pounds.

dude, eat something.

[–]janearcade 2 points3 points ago

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This is not a troll question, just one I am genuinely curious about. You said "It is a big no-no for a hipster to admit they play non-retro video games." If "hipsters" are about freedom expression, being yourself, non-conformity, self-expression, why would there be an unspoken rule against something you like?

Seems like a pretty shitty subculture to tack you star onto if they do shit like that.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 5 points6 points ago

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Well yeah. There are a lot of uncool things in any subculture. For example, it is extremely bad to admit you are a hipster on Reddit.

[–]rps13drifter 16 points17 points ago

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I am jealous of your huge cocks.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 19 points20 points ago

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Understandable.

[–]papermountain 19 points20 points ago

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i really don't understand that whole hipster fascination, whether it's love/hate/envy... i might be considered a hipster (i ride a fixed gear, i'm in a band, i collect vinyl, i sometimes drink PBR but Old Milwaukee is a better deal usually, i like flannel shirts and i sport a pretty mean beard)

but to me, hipsters are something completely different... nothing to do with the way they dress or the things they buy. the defining characteristic, to me anyway, is a general holier-than-thou attitude.

we should all (hipsters, geeks and nerds) band together and hate the source of the problem: douchebags.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 12 points13 points ago

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Amen brother. Down with douchebags.

[–]LinkBalls 17 points18 points ago

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Shoulda finished it off with a haters gonna hate.

[–]DrunkOnUnleaded 7 points8 points ago

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Lovers gonna love?

[–]hCORE22 3 points4 points ago

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...but I don't even want, none of the above.

[–]aldld 10 points11 points ago

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Neutrals gonna be neutral?

[–]scottcmu 5 points6 points ago

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If I should die tonight, tell my wife I said "Hello."

[–]maqr 3 points4 points ago

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I don't have an opinion on this.

[–]Cokemonkey11 6 points7 points ago

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[–]MonsterMuncher 4 points5 points ago

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This might seem a silly question, but I'm in the UK What's a 'hipster' ?

[–]karrde723 10 points11 points ago

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First, irony. Doing things "ironically" is just an excuse to disavow responsibility for that action. To do everything "ironically," as the stereotypical hipster does, is to disavow all your actions, thoughts, and opinions. In essence, it removes all identity. This is made even more annoying by the hipsters' fierce individualist attitude.

Second thing is the appeal to obscurity, especially in music. The belief that real art needs to be unappreciated to be good and STOPS being good when it becomes appreciated is asinine.

That being said, hipsters are a force for good in the art world. Hipsters are always looking for new and obscure artists to love. And then they never shut up about them. This spreads awareness of the artist to the general masses where they can be appreciated. And one this happens, the hipsters hate it and move on to someone else. That's why I'm glad whenever I hear about hipsters talking about "selling out" or "used to be good" bands. It just means that the band is doing well career wise.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 6 points7 points ago

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Irony is funny. We are people who enjoy life, and want to have fun. Ironic behaviour doesn't disavow responsibility for an action at all in my opinion, and I'm not sure where the logic in that claim is. Ironic behaviour and style is about playfulness and humour, and it is about exploring the cultural norms that people often take for granted. But mostly it is about being funny.

I don't think any hipsters I know would be so trite as to ever say a band sold-out, unless it was in a really obvious way, like they claimed publically that they would never sell their songs to be used in a car commercial, and then they did exactly that. . . But most hipsters I know are fully aware that artists are broke, and need to make money from selling their work. I think you are talking about the "alternative" scene in the 90s, or the hardcore punk scene in the early 80s, not modern hipsters.

[–]jesterkid01 2 points3 points ago

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maybe it is because i dont really run in those circles but it has only been the rare occasion that i have seen any shiny gold legging and way over sized tank top wearing guy actually seem the least bit amused by the fact that he is wearing that get up.

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I have some hipster advice for you. The most hipster thing to wear is a hospital bracelet. I'm not saying you should ever get sick, but if you ever go, just leave it on. Hipster +4 Bracelet of Healing.

[–]rospaya 3 points4 points ago

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By your definition, half of reddit are hipsters, myself included (without the mustache, court ordered...).

Why do you consider yourself a hipster? Do you dress like one? Hell, I listen to indie music and enjoy obscure bands, and still have the whole "rock star" dream that'll never happen, but I fail to see where is the hipster part in that.

[–]infectafist 2 points3 points ago

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I think that's how most hipsters feel.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Well I've been told that I'm "such a hipster" (often from people whom I would consider total hipsters). I just wear tshirts and jeans, sometimes a hoodie. Sometimes I put on a dress shirt and a tie if I'm feeling bold. But I guess the cut of my clothes are hipster, and my hair is swept to the side, so I'm a hipster in most people's eyes.

[–]incrediho 3 points4 points ago* 

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I would hump you so hard, you would wish you hadn't been humped quite so hard.

[–]lurchpop 11 points12 points ago

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The Montreal "buzz" thing is an example of how hipsters love saying they liked something before others liked it. It's subtle, narcissistic way of saying:

A) Others like this because they saw me liking it, copied me, then ruined it

and/or

B) I am a brave leader when it comes to recognizing and exhibiting coolness (although I don't believe in hierarchies). If you follow me, I will act ambivalent. While I desire your admiration, you dilute my uniqueness.

and/or

C) Hipsters are traditionally known for liking things "ironically". I think that's sort of mean-spirited, and frankly, too "peacocky". As a Beta Male, I'm averse to confrontation so I'll like it with a little more integrity and claim it's not a joke.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 9 points10 points ago

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It is a huge stereotype for hipsters to talk about how they liked something "before it was cool". But that is such a stereotype, that hipsters will most often avoid saying it, even if it is true that they did like something before it was cool.

I find myself saying that I liked something "before it was cool" not as a narcissistic way of saying any of those three things, but to defending a choice that seems trite, or maybe in bad taste, like moving to Montreal as an artist and musician.

The main reason I mentioned that I moved before the buzz is because I knew that someone would eventually ask me if I moved before or after, and then someone still asked if I moved before or after Arcade Fire blew up. I'm just being honest and straight-forward. None of you know who I am, and I have nothing to prove to anyone, except that hopefully some people will realize that hipsters aren't all pretentious 2-dimensional consumer whores. So I'm not saying any of the things about knowing bands, or liking something before other people to impress anyone. I am probably going to use this account for this one post, and then throw it away (even though I'm really happy with the user name). So I gain nothing, and there are no motives other than being as completely honest as I can.

[–]taitabo 10 points11 points ago

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That's the hipster attitude. Why do you feel the need to defend that you moved to Montreal before OR after Arcade Fire? Only hipsters give a fuck. Therefore, only other hipsters would actually ASK if you moved before or after the city was 'cool'. Normal people don't give a fuck.

Quite frankly, Montreal was a music centre since the 1930s...it would be impossible to move to Montreal "before" it was cool.

[–]evalescere 7 points8 points ago* 

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probably for the same reason redditors seem so smug that they aren't on Digg. Only redditors give a fuck. I guarantee you that most of the people hating hipsters have the same insecurities about superiority as any hipster it just comes out in different ways. At least hipsters are following their dreams if they are artists. That takes balls (or stupidity) that most people don't have. Relax Reddit, its the 21st century, its far cooler to invent facebook or a bestselling iphone app now than make paintings or whatever. There are very few billionaire artists edit: i'm a painter with a successful global practice but i'm way over 40 and have shopped a thrift store like twice as a kid (they kind of smell). i don't listen to indie music, house is far cooler lol.

[–]JudgeHolden 6 points7 points ago

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Hate is too strong a word for me. It's more that I look upon hipsterdom with great distaste and derision. Reason? It's a fake, wholly contrived scene that doesn't really have any culturally organic origins and that is obnoxious in its evident fixation on outward appearance, even while it attempts to deny said fixation. It is almost as if the hipster feels the need to play a part and is not really being honest with themselves or anyone else about who they really are. That's just my opinion though.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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I was a hipster lonnng before you. You know how much shit I have to put up with because of this username?

[–]HipsterJesus 24 points25 points ago

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Your account may be 4 months older, but I've been a hipster for over 2000 years. I have witnessed the ebb and flow of fashion and music since the inception of their ideas. This is the 146th time beards have come back in style, but I've had mine since before it was cool.

[–]code_brown 2 points3 points ago

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I'm pretty sure Hipster Moses made beards cool.

[–]HipsterMoses 5 points6 points ago

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Nah, I just made them ironically cool.

[–]tresmon 21 points22 points ago* 

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As someone who is friends with a lot of similarly self-identified hipsters, let me tell you what I hate about almost all of them.

  • First, the irony thing. No, you aren't cooler than someone who likes something just because you like it "ironically."

  • On a related note, their "anti-bro" attitude by which they use "bro" slang and some fashion to make fun of "bro" culture. (They do this with many cultures, though I've noticed this more than most.)

  • Almost universally the hipsters I know seem to refuse the idea that music is completely subjective, despite the fact they all like different types of music themselves. There is a core base of music that you basically need to like or at least acknowledge before being accepted.

  • Hipster culture is constantly struggling to be the counter-culture, and as culture expands, absorbing counter-cultural elements, the hipsters are finding it harder and harder to be the "other" (hence the whole "irony" obsession, in my opinion).

It's not that these aren't things other people do, but that they concentrate on these aspects and encourage this type of behavior in one another. Almost all of them are politically progressive but unwilling to really debate the issue. I personally think there is a specific kind of personality that lends itself to hipster culture, the key factor of which is obsession with the self and self-image, but for whatever reason they have either shunned or been shunned by genuine popular culture.

I'm not saying all hipsters are this way, though I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.

Edit: As hCORE22 said so eloquently above, "vaguely leftist" beliefs, this fits my friends to a T. One of them is a self-identified "Champagne socialist." I want to punch him in the face constantly.

[–]ReubenYeah 22 points23 points ago

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Man, you should get some friends who you can't easily write 300 words about why you hate them.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 3 points4 points ago

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Yeah, making fun of "bro" culture is funny though! Don't you think? I'm not sure why that is.

I think most people I know do think that music is subjective, but I understand what you are saying about the "core base" of music. I don't know if this is any more exclusively hipster behavior though. Any group who are friends because of similar interests will have core beliefs that you have to agree with, or you won't be accepted.

I agree about the counter-culture thing. Again, this is endemic of all counter-cultures (just look at the state of "punk" right now). I don't think any trends can be contained by a specific subculture. And the obsession with irony is exactly that; a way to continue being the "other", or unusual. But I'd have to say that that is not the conscious reason for the obsession with irony. I think that the conscious intent is to be hilarious. There is nary a hipster I know who doesn't like their lulz.

You bring up really good points about the political stance of hipsters. There is very little interest in the community with discussing the real issues, and the possibility that towing the party line is not the correct thing to do. It is not good to point out that pulling out all the military from Iraq or Afghanistan on a moment's notice could possibly absolutely devastate the region, because most left-leaning people think very simply "war=bad". . . but again is this only hipsters?

I'm not sure what to say about self-image. You're right that is a hugely prevalent obsession in the culture. I'm not sure if that is just a result of a self-referential and po-mo culture or what.

It is true that hipsters often shun pop culture, or feel they are shunned. . . but in you also get people who LOVE pop culture, and obsess and study it, or just indulge in it (Perez Hilton lovers).

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One of my best friends from law school is marrying an artist whose friends are predominantly hipsters. My issue with this particular set of hipsters is that they have made a ton of assumptions about me because I'm a lawyer, and generally look down on me and act as if I am not worth knowing. They specifically tell my best friend that I am not invited to their parties, barbecues, etc. They talk about me as if we were still in high-school, and assume that I am part of the soulless clique of "cool kid" prom-queens and cheerleaders who are shallow and superficial, while they are the scrappy underdogs who have passion for art and food and music. It somehow seems like they, as the archetype of the underdog, are trying to get back at all of the "cool-kids" who ever put them down in high-school, by being mean to me, the archetype of the "cool-kid." They generally act as if they are more genuine or unique than I am, yet they don't know anything about me. They don't know that I was actually an art major in college (double major in creative writing and painting), that I spent more time in high-school going to punkrock shows and painting than I ever did going to school dances, that I still buy most of my clothes from thrift stores, and I grow most of my produce in my garden, and even brew my own beer. It bothers me that they somehow need me to have "cred" like this for them to consider me worthwhile in the first place, and it bothers me more that, because of my job and appearance (yes, I wear suits to work every day), they just assume that I could or would never have enough "cred" to be cool enough to know.

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[–]chrisjd1116 4 points5 points ago

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I'm interested in how you are financially supported? I think that is one of the main judgments of hipsters, which is that some hipsters are completely supported by their parents and spend all this money on "hip" items and at the same time put off this act that they are above others because they spend little, etc.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 7 points8 points ago

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I work part-time as a home care worker for a geriatric patient. I don't come from an affluent family at all. I've never gone to school for this kind of work, just sorta fell in to it. In fact, I've never had any post-secondary education.

[–]Xebeche 9 points10 points ago

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In my experience, hipsters try desperately hard to be cool and are incredibly pretentious about it. Their taste for things outside the mainstream and very "weird obscure" stuff that most people have never heard of doesn't say "I'm an interesting oddball," it says, "I'm more experienced than you, and you and everyone else just don't get my complex and elite tastes." It's infuriating to be spoken down to, and the typical hipster phrase "yeah, this (mainstream thing) is pretty good, but (this thing no one's ever heard of) is better" is a prime way to speak down to someone.

Further, there is clearly an air of negativity that goes along with the hipster ethos, and I'm not confusing it with emo. People like enthusiastic people who are excited about things, not jaded people who have already seen and done everything, and did and seen it way before, when it was somehow a more "authentic" experience, untarnished by the limelight.

Really, in the average non-hipster's eyes, hipsters' actions and tastes come less from authentic interest and more in an attempt to be at the forefront of counterculture (hence their obsession with letting people know they liked things before they were cool, or were in cities before they were hotspots).

It seems like a transparent attempt to be elite. They wear old fashioned or vintage clothes to give the impression "I can wear something so out of style that my confident wearing of it makes it cool." They live in edgy more dangerous neighborhoods so they can tell people "you're just too suburban and scared to live where I do." They listen to music no one's ever heard of to tell people "my musical tastes are too complex for the mainstream." They hate sellouts and make sure to jump on trends early because they want to feel like they're ahead of or smarter than the mainstream. They are derisive of mainstream stuff and mainstream mentality to feel more elite, and use their knowledge or experience of obscure counterculture as a measure of hipness, in the way star-bellied sneetches use their stars to separate themselves from the other sneetches.

[–]Philosopher_King 12 points13 points ago

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I'm not going to read anything you wrote or any comment in this thread.

"hipster" is this generation's slang insult for you're trying too hard and it's annoying, so stop it.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 3 points4 points ago

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This is totally true, but people assume that those of us who dress a particular way, and are into a particular broad scope of music and art are all trying too hard and "hipsters". I think it is a misconception.

[–]arguswon 2 points3 points ago

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What other trends have you followed?

[–]QueenVictoriaVII 2 points3 points ago

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This is the most uninteresting AMA I have ever seen.

[–]moneyfingers 2 points3 points ago

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Hipster is just another means of categorizing a human being, which I don't necessarily care for. But I have to tell you that there are a lot of pretentious douchebags in the world, and a good percentage seem to live in San Francisco and wear skinny jeans. And I'm talking Levi's 510's here, not even the 511's.

[–]chewymilkybar 2 points3 points ago

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Basically, 90% of hipsters I have met (I go to an art uni, I meet a lot) are not only insanely smug, but will refuse to enjoy things (most of the time music) simply based on its popularity.

No-one should deny something they enjoy simply because of its popularity or unpopularity. In hipsters cases it tends to be the former.

[–]lendrick 17 points18 points ago

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How many Apple devices (computers included) do you own?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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i resent this. i am also a hipster and i proudly built my PC.

[–]wackytobaccy 16 points17 points ago

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...with parts from the 90's and a brand new mac case.

[–]surfing_mountain_man 12 points13 points ago

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It's a new tower design, you probably haven't heard of it...

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 11 points12 points ago

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None! I am very anti-Apple. Don't like their distribution model. I built my PC a couple years back.

But most people I know buy Apple products without any concern.

I wasn't really aware that it is a stereo type of hipsters to own Apple products, I just thought this was a ubiquitous cultural phenomenon.

[–]funkshanker 15 points16 points ago

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Don't like their distribution model.

You don't like that you can configure and order a product online and have it shipped to you, in addition to walking into a store and purchasing your hardware after sampling a demo product? May I ask how you purchased all the parts for your PC?

[–]tomrhod 64 points65 points ago

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He purchased them on vinyl.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 6 points7 points ago

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I don't really want to have the PC/Apple debate here, but I'm a PC guy. I don't think this really has much to do with hipsterdom.

[–]yahehe 4 points5 points ago

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It's incredibly easy (and cheaper) to build your own PC. Well I wouldn't exactly say easy, but it's not as hard as everyone probably thinks it is.

[–]chase47 5 points6 points ago

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The word "hipster" has entirely lost its meaning. It has become too general. I ride a bicycle and buy my clothes second-hand, and people label me as a hipster, which I find quite annoying. For me, a true hipster must have the pretentious attitude.

[–]davesss 5 points6 points ago

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how many flannel shirts are in your closet?

[–]timesnewboston 10 points11 points ago

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Today's hipsters are yesterday's emo kids.

[–]glengyron 16 points17 points ago

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Hipsters: When emo kids remove a few piercings to work in a cafe.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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Real 'hipsters' just do their thing and doesn't afraid of anything. The thing is though all the emo kids in highschool just started college and evolved to hipster.

Real hipsters have been around for so long (think Doug Funny's sister). Just living in the shadows, enjoying music you haven't heard of, wearing pleasantly nice clothes. My image has been hijacked. Don't blame me :(

[–]yermanno 2 points3 points ago

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This is true, and is also true for almost every style/group/social circle/whatever you want to call it. It always starts out genuine, but by the time it's big enough for an AMA, it's full to the brim of those two faced wankers that throw on whatever face makes them the coolest.

[–]A-punk 11 points12 points ago

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I knew this would happen. Topic became popular and now he's not answering any questions.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 13 points14 points ago

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I just left it for a bit to go have a smoke and take a shower. I've never done an IAmA before, and I wasn't aware that I had to start answering right away. Sorry.

[–]RMFTerry 6 points7 points ago

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I think this covers it pretty well:

http://www.latfh.com/

[–]sydney69 5 points6 points ago

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I just hate the word "hipster". It reminds me of low-rise jeans.

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 4 points5 points ago

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haha. We all hate the word.

[–]BasketCase 6 points7 points ago

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But how do you feel about low-rise jeans?

[–]whatthedude 1 point2 points ago

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Wait, you didn't move to Brooklyn from somewhere in the Midwest? Fucking poser.

[–]heidola 2 points3 points ago

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It's the Canadian version. Montreal = Brooklyn of Canada.

[–]killersaurus 1 point2 points ago

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I think my fundamental problem with "hipsters" is that they are people who refuse to genuinely enjoy things, even when those things are things they like.

They cannot bring themselves to listen to Arcade Fire in public out of fear that others will out-hip them (by saying, for example, "Their underground stuff was better."), so they limit their enjoyment of Arcade Fire to hiding-in-their-bathroom when no one is home.

And that is stupid.

[–]Wackyd01 1 point2 points ago

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Hipsters In Spaaaace!

[–]Darkh0rse82 1 point2 points ago

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Also, a lot of hipsters are being supported by their parent's money. So while you are out playing dress up and listening to obscure shitty bands, earning zero dollars because you think it worth your while to make it as a musician, artist, photographer, writer, etc. your parents are paying that 1800 dollar rent so you can live in "Look at me!" Williamsburg (safe haven neighborhood for hipsters in the NYC area).

[–]deusnefum 1 point2 points ago* 

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How I (and probably others) perceive hipsters:

  • Style over substance.
  • Making your self into what others like rather than what you truly like.
  • Pretending there is more depth to any given thing
  • Dismissive of things deemed to be non-hip.

What else am I missing?

It's not so much I don't like hipsters as I wouldn't want to be mistaken for one. :)

EDIT: I sound like a racist old white person describing black people. <_<

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My main problem with hipster-ism is that people dress and act that way merely to look cool, not because it is a reflection of genuine interests they have. Same goes for musical taste. Liking a band is not cool if it is only obscure. It only is if you truly enjoy the music, and not the feeling of uniqueness it bestows upon you because of the fact that only 10 other people have heard that song. Having listened to some of the shit hipster friends claim to have "discovered", I am really glad I don't have to listen to it on a regular basis for the appearance of being of a music listening pioneer. Most of the time bands are undiscovered because they fucking suck.

That's another thing. I can't fucking stand when someone, hipster or not (though most often this is a hipster), stops liking a band when they get famous. I know a girl who did this with Death Cab for Cutie in High School. She mentioned once that she doesn't listen to them because she hates how much they are played on the radio. I couldn't handle it, and went on a little rant about how sometimes, bands gather more fans because they are good. One major example is the Beatles. they put out mainly pop-sounding stuff in their early years, but I contend that their best work is when they had reached mega-stardom, and had to be a studio-only band because they couldn't hear themselves sing when they would play shows because of the screaming.

Oh yeah, and I feel like hipsters stole retro gaming from me. As a socially stunted elementary schooler, the N64 was my best friend. Now whenever I want to visit my old pal, I am branded a hipster because some too-cool-for-school hive mind decided that this was a cool thing to do.

[–]TimeforPie 1 point2 points ago

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I feel annoyed by people who do silly or illogical things for the sake of looking cool. I recognize that everyone does this, but things like riding a fixed-gear bike in Pennsylvania (lots o' hills), wearing clothes that don't fit you (they didn't have anything above a size small at the thrift store?) and wearing scarves when it's 90 degrees out just seem really stupid to me. I don't hate hipsters, I just don't see the appeal in being one. Also there is a level of snobbery is being one of the cool people, I guess that annoys me too.

The bottom line is, if you seem like a cool person I have no problem with you. I'll hang out with anyone. If you act like the sun shines out of your own leggings-wearing ass then I'm not going to bother with you. It's more of an individual thing.

[–]epithe 1 point2 points ago

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I don't like hipsters because of the judgmental looks they give me for daring to show up at indie rock concerts without being one of them.

[–]Lycurgus 1 point2 points ago

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They fucking smell. I had a friend who slowly devolved into a full blown hipster and he took pride in never showering.

[–]only2thumbs 1 point2 points ago

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I love how people drool while biting at the bit to call every single person into anything "hip" a "hipster."

But most of this thread is trying to discredit this guys hipsterdom.

Shit folks, he's tossed you a slow pitch. Quick! Grab a bat!

[–]thelandes 1 point2 points ago

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Hipsters are always the first to support some obscure, indie band just because it's obscure and indie, and are always the first to denounce the same obscure, indie band if it hits big or when it gains publicity. They denounce it because they want to feel better than everyone else by rejecting what everyone else likes.

[–]TriangleMen 1 point2 points ago

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people are simply judging others because of the way they dress, and the music they listen to

I don't deny that. It's a superficial hate (more of a dislike) for a superficial culture.

[–]Sally2Dicks 1 point2 points ago

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I dont hate hipsters. I do hate how one can be classified to easy for not liking the norms.

[–]ChristheGreek 1 point2 points ago

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Why do you love PBR so much?

[–]terrapin4 1 point2 points ago

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this is about right

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Haha. I love After the Goldrush.

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[–]andrewhy 1 point2 points ago

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I'm not social enough to really care about hipsters, but I hate what they did to indie rock. It used to be underground and cool. Now you hear it in television commercials.

It used to be that a band had to release an album first before people started buzzing about them. And if they were good, they could sustain a following for some time.

Now you have these bands who have been together for 6 months, have done a few live shows or put out an EP, and the buzz is massive even before the album comes out. Then they fizzle out as fast as they came.

You know the kind of bands I'm talking about. Nobody will care about Sleigh Bells a year or two from now.

[–]shady8x 1 point2 points ago

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I fucking HATE damned hippi...oh, sorry, wrong thread.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago* 

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I moved from a small town to become an artist and musician here several years ago, right before Montreal became a big "buzz" city for music.

Haha! Can't you hear yourself talk. The problem is your ears are too used to the pretentious prattling on of all the other hipsters you hang around with to hear what an utter douche you come off as when you say things like that.

The primary problem with hipsters is similar to that of hippies, but taken a little (and in many cases a lot) further. Hipster culture embraces the bizarre and surreal under the guise of supporting all forms of expression. In reality, however, many many legitimate forms of expression and artistic endeavor and poo-pooed by the hivemind of hipsterdom, which brings me to my next, corollary point:

The hipster hivemind. Hipsters all do, say and think the same shit because everyone wants to be accepted into the hive. It has a homogenizing effect on your culture and it's really pretty boring at the end of the day. Since, hipsters, like hippies, are always right (or at least better), it's just tiresome to the rest of us.

A few others called hipsters phony (or something like that). While the hipsters only support a very small and homogeneous set of personal expressions, the real phoniness comes in when hipsters do this under the guise of supporting all forms of free expression (no hipster hiveminds I've ever run into do anything close).

It's okay that you don't like jocks, but seriously at 27, keep it to yourself, the rest of us got over it at 15.

EDIT: I have hipster friends, but they don't know how stupid I think half the shit they say is and do you know why? Because I have manners (IRL at least).

[–]Darkh0rse82 1 point2 points ago

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I can only speak from the NYC side. Hipsters are not NY'ers, you are all transplants. This over the top attitude that you have to be different and unique which reeks of desperation. The thought that you can dress in some vintage clothing and all of a sudden you are "cool". This obsession with indie bands that are completely forgettable.

I think I've said my peace.

Get out of NYC.

[–]muhfuhkuh 1 point2 points ago

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Seriously, how do you really feel about Pabst blue ribbon?

Saddle shoes: Has that ship, like, sailed away already?

Soaking men's jeans or wearing girl jeans?

In your opinion, can Neutral Milk Hotel and Guided by Voices occupy the same space without the universe imploding in derivative, shitty bands all over metro Montreal?

[–]tallwill514 1 point2 points ago* 

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I moved from a small town to become an artist and musician here several years ago.

I hate you because you're confirming my hipster theory. See I'm from Montreal too, as most of my friends are. But as I go to University here, I also know people that are from out of town and live here now, moved in their late teens or early twenties. That is the source of all hipsterdom. Those fucking smalltown kids who come here hoping it's NYC and trying to be "artists" and "free thinkers" and all that shit. They don't know how to drink or act in public, they hang out in cliques and have no idea how to dress (It's not a matter of fashion or anti-fashion or whatever. YOU think it looks good. You're wrong, it's tasteless, tacky and teenagery.) If you're 27 and own a pair of Converse, skinny jeans 2 sizes too tight for you, one or many plaid shirts and a fedora you bought at UO, then fuck you.

So I have no question for you, but here's my answer to your "Why do you hate hipsters": you're all tasteless frauds. You're fake. It's all a show. I know a huge amount of hipsters, some of them are friends even, but that hipster attitude makes me gag. I live in an area overflowing with hipsters, and every time I go out I feel like tackling one off his fixie. I've always loved music, but I can't have a decent conversation about it with a hipster. I love books and literature, but I can't have a discussion about it with a hipster. You think you're a free thinker but you're the exact opposite, fitting in that ironic, independent mold.

I don't know you, but if I did I'd probably loathe you.

edit: grammar

[–]devilsadvocado 1 point2 points ago

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"We all overact our favorite parts in fiction," wrote Aldous Huxley.

Some people more than others. No one more than hipsters. Take off your costume and be a real person.

[–]dd4y 1 point2 points ago

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I don't hate hipsters, or anyone else for that matter. One thing that jumped out from your posting was:

I live in Montreal, I moved from a small town to become an artist and musician here several years ago, right before Montreal became a big "buzz" city for music.

I think Montreal was a big "buzz" city for music long before you were born. For example, the Montreal Jazz Festival started in 1980 and the music scene was vibrant long long before that time.

People have said that 'hipsters' are shallow and self absorbed.. maybe you just showed a little of that. Just saying..

[–]takutakutaku 1 point2 points ago

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Yuppies... Emos... Hipsters... Who's next?

[–]icallshenannigans 2 points3 points ago

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Maybe this shit could go totally meta and just become outright self-loathing... at least then I'd be cool.

Wait... shit.

[–]Zulban 1 point2 points ago

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Are you a hipster doofus?

[–]pleasure_principle[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Can't really say. Maybe. I've been called pretentious enough times to seriously try to reconsider the way I present myself. I don't want to come off as though I feel superior to others, because I don't feel that way. But there is something that happens when you speak about your own art and music passionately, where people get the impression that you are self-important. Or something. I'm very likely a hipster doofus in your books, but I don't intend to be.

[–]pervycreeper 1 point2 points ago

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Ok. Lowdown on the hipster sex scene, please. Particularly, what do hipster chicks dig?

[–]Japface 1 point2 points ago

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it isnt necessarily about hating on hipsters. I think people dislike hipsters because they come across as posers.

regardless of whether or not a "hipster" is a poser or not, the fact that the group of people dress the same, and listen to the same music makes them come across as though the music is an article of fashion, the same way the clothing is. So when i say poser, i mean someone who pretends to have a real interest in music, instead of merely fitting into the culture.

thats my perception of why people dislike hipsters, or whatever crowd you want to name.