This "hipster metal" bullshit is really starting to piss me off.

Agile_Cyborg · 1 year

If you like Mastodon, listen to them. If you don't, don't comment

Well, if they were truly constructive in their critical approach and did not deride those that do appreciate Mastodon (for example) this form of disagreement might actually add flavor rather than toxicity.

suburbansyndrome · 1 year

Full on , the most "Metal" thing I've ever read on Shreddit. Metal is a broad category, encompassing all of its sub-genres. Don't like it, Don't listen to it. But respect the fact that its all metal. Heavy music is metal. From Tool to Cannibal Corpse. Napalm Death to Slayer. Hatebreed to Sevendust. Metallica to Opeth. Etc to infinity.

sludgemetal1 · 1 year

How the fuck is Mastodon hipster metal? They are incredible musicians and songwriters and I don't remember them wearing skinny jeans.

CancerKillingReddit · 1 year

:( How can anyone hate Mastodon when they did this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vf3VzVbrXU

clownprince_ · 1 year

Lately I've been under the impression that the only 'hipsters' are the people who go around complaining about 'hipsters'.

Cheers to you, bro... you speak the truth. Upvote, hope there are more for you on the way...

Thagirion · 1 year

Coming from the Finnish UG scene, all I can say is that this kind of behavior is mainly attributed to idiot people who have no concept of what is good music and are mainly trying to be what they think you're supposed to be as a "metal listener". On the other hand, I must point an accusing Gaahl-style hand at your direction too, for being an idiot and actually caring about what they think. So what if they downvote and call you names.

DiscoRage · 1 year

I get hell all the time for liking metalcore. I like almost all types of metal. Every time I mention a metalcore band, I get a lesson in what real heavy metal is by some dude who probably has long greasy hair, and wears black jeans and cross trainers.

Chesh · 1 year

I really don't care I guess. Arguing about Metal has been part of the scene for as long as it's existed, just get a thicker skin, I listen to all kinds of stuff that doesn't fit in here, I just don't post it. Hell, I fucking love Nightwish, there I said it.

As far as mayonesa being a racist is concerned, I could care less. You don't have to agree with someone's politics to appreciate the music they recommend, and he's introduced me to some great stuff here I hadn't heard of, to me that's all that matters.

I'm pretty sure I'm diametrically opposite of him politically, but that's fine, he's not trolling or spamming, it's his opinion, he's allowed to have one.

My 2 cents.

SeekingEnlightenment · 1 year

HOLY SHIT, wtf happened here...

I have so many things to say, but I'll keep it short and sweet since I doubt anyone will read this in the sea of comments:

We need to hash out all this nonsense or this place will eventually implode.

Dylar114 · 1 year

Ban me if you want, but for fuck's sake this needs to be said. You act like "hipsters" are ruining metal; no, elitist metalheads like you are, because all you do is pick out bands that you don't like and bash them for not being exactly what you want to hear. You know, the same thing that critics did to the original Black Sabbath LP when it first hit shelves.

This is a totally misleading comparison. Black Sabbath was savaged critically because it broke the mold and established an entirely new paradigm, hipster metal is dismissed by those in the know because it has added absolutely nothing to the sum total of the genre's knowledge, while scraping by entirely on indie rock media hype and social cachet.

severedfragile · 1 year

I'm listening to Stevie Wonder right now. How do I fit into things?

24hourbull · 1 year

This seems to have been a constant fight since the major splits into subgenres and popularity. Once a type of metal became popular the kids in the underground started to bash it. Glam, Nu-metal, *cores, this, and it probably will not be the last.

dezmodium · 1 year

Mayonesa is white supremacist trailer trash anyhow. Who gives a flying fuck what that prick thinks.

SPna15 · 1 year

sigh

And thus the retarded slap-fight continues.

klarth · 1 year

Man, when Wolves in the Throne Room's Diadem of Twelve Stars hit the web, everyone was all over that. I fucking loved it. Nobody had heard of these guys, and I wanted to change that! I told my metal-listening buddies about this awesome new band, and they were hooked.

By the time Two Hunters came out, though, it was a total fucking mess. WITTR have been accused of being "stupid shitty hipster black metal" or whatever the hell for ages now, simply by virtue of their popularity. Same thing happened to Agalloch. What the fuck. I can't tell people I enjoy their music without being told I'm a mindless trend-follower. "Hipster metal" is a fucking aggravating term because it insults the intelligence of people against whom you use it — the notion that someone could honest-to-gods enjoy something without actively wanting to conform is apparently one completely alien to mayonesa and co. Go fuck your grandfathers in hell.

GCostanza · 1 year

I dealt with a "hipster" yesterday. He explained his love of "folk metal" and then began naming endless sub-genres. Apparently I should be more informed about the metal I listen to because the more I hear, the more these distinct classifications will become important if I wish to continue enjoying music at all. Holy fuck. I do not have the patience required to study these classifications, not pass on my newfound knowledge to others by annoying them with useless minutia.

DocTomoe · 1 year

I always thought what kills shreddit is the yearly 2-week-"we are waiting for the so-called day-of-slayer"-bullshit.

jagacontest · 1 year

Fuck!! This sucks! Apparently I seem to like hipster metal. Being old as shit I am not even sure what a hipster is or when they infiltrated the metal scene but somehow I have become a fan. Do I need to dress a certain way now, or get a name tag, or sign up anywhere?

Reanimator · 1 year

I honestly can't believe that while most submissions on this sub get maybe 10-20 votes with a handful of comments, this ridiculous abomination of a thread has received almost 500 total votes and nearly 300 comments. Where the fuck are all you other posters when we are actually discussing music and posting new bands? As soon as some martyr starts bitching about "elitism" we suddenly have 400 new faces coming out of the woodwork to contribute.

If you don't like the content on this subreddit then simply submit better content or create your own subreddit that better suits your cohort (metalcore, hardcore, whatever) otherwise you're just a fucking troll.

LondonLad · 1 year

Old school guys just have hard time understanding that reddit is not very "metal" in its core audience. Quite the opposite, it's full of hipsters, just check every single favourite song thread out there. Fighting this is meaningless. You would have to ban 70% of new comers in this subreddit. If you want pure metal discussions stick with pure metal sites like metal-archives.

The OP rises a valid point about being open minded, but fuck me, the line has to be drawn somewhere before this place is run over by guys like this while we are chewing on a dick.

[deleted] · 1 year

I'm not even sure what this phenomenon is. Here in the UK I've never heard of hipster anything, an opinion is respected with the expectation that it's a personal and well formed view, and to argue against that on principle is messed up. I had a debate recently concerning the matter of lyrics, and I enjoyed it. It was good to talk about something I love in any quantity. The hatred some people inject into a simple matter of preference is absurd, and it can turn a good conversation into a ball breaker.

Ensifearthem · 1 year

I just had my first encounter with "hipster Metal." I'm 16 and have been a Metalhead for about 5 or 6 years. I've always been a huge Black Metal fan and last week I started getting into some Cascadian BM like Skagos, Alda and Leech. So many people shit on my head, and I couldn't understand why. Then I realized that those bands are supposed to be "hipster bands" and I nearly laughed out loud. Black Metal is about individualism and holding your own personal banner high in the face of whatever opposes you. To me, living in the woods of Washington state, releasing ecology-oriented Metal and playing shows by torch light is a pretty fucking Black Metal thing to do. Just because they don't paint themselves like pandas and howl to the Nekrobeast (though I do love shit like that) doesn't diminish it as music or as a valid extension of Black Metal. On a funny side note, 90% of the listeners of those bands on Last.fm were just like me: fans of Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, Fimbulwinter or Root and other bands from other "legitimate" genres/scenes of Metal, despite their reputation for being enjoyed only by hipsters. Sure there were some people that seemed to enjoy them for the irony or the trendiness of the music, but I don't understand why the band themselves are being ostracized or ignored for their fanbase. Kind of a sheep-like mentality in my mind. If most of those bands had names like "Yhrkantharyst" and recorded their albums in a grotto in Belarus, they'd be hailed for their kvlt atmosphere and seminal ideas. As soon as a few "undesirables" profess an enjoyment for a band, they're no longer cool to be seen enjoying.

healthycheekums · 1 year

What I don't like is this whole XcoreX trend that seems to be going on, Because I personally find that whole scene to be devoid of talent, though I don't go around saying that. But those scene kids talk shit about every band that isn't part, "Whitechapel sounds like Meshuggah in this song but Meshuggah sucks because WHITECHAPEL IS MORE BRUUTAL". I am a very deverse musical guy, but yeck, breakdowns just don't carry songs when the breakdowns are Longer than the actual song structure. I hate when my favorite bands are labeled as deathcore or whatnot, Because in my opinion they are just DEATH METAL.

BrickSalad · 1 year

You act like "hipsters" are ruining metal; no, elitist metalheads like you are

Absolutely not true. Lowering our standards is going to improve a genre? I don't fucking think so.

Anyways, I'm not an elitist, but I think a bit needs to be said here in defense of the elitists. Metal isn't just a sound, it's also a legacy. Underground metal remained one of the most pure forms of music because it was so alienating that outsiders had no profit potential to compromise it; it was mostly people passionate about metal who made metal. Now though, the doors have been thrown open by irony, and many people listening to metal for the humor value. See dethklok for example. Once idiots like these can get used to the sound and power of metal, they can start non-ironically listening to metal too, but they drag all of their influences with them. They don't understand the legacy of metal, they merely understand that metal sounds cool and think of it as an element to their sound. It is vital to the integrity of metal that some elitists are always trying to keep it real and throw out fake metal.

That said, I'm not in favor of keeping metal totally exclusive. I think a certain level of outside influence makes metal kind of refreshing. My favorite genre is symphonic metal, and let me tell you, I get tons and tons of shit by fans of pure metal. It's ok though, I admit my metal isn't true metal and sort of ignores the legacy. I'm not trying to shove it in as true metal, I'm not claiming that After Forever and Darkthrone are both equally metal. So, elitists don't seem to mind my views because I don't try to demand that my bands get accepted into their genre.

BrakkeBama · 1 year

As the saying goes: "Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen."
May I suggest registering /r/hipstermetal ?
j/k
But seriously -and trust me on this- once you step over the pothole that is allowing the potshots from more-metal-than-you folks to sting the less-metal-than-the-rest-of-us folks, it's all smooth sailing.
Again: ask yourself; what/why the fuck do you even care? Some text on the fucking internet?

Having said that, the first month or so I was on Reddit (this is my umpteenth username -I think up more than I can use) I also got shit from Mayo regarding whether Darkthrone's Soulside Journey was DM or not (or something like that. See? I've already forgotten the details.)

So, from the elite down to the rest of you I say: stop whining and grow some hair in those ears.

And if you read down to here and didn't once get the many tongue-in-cheeks then seriously get off the 'net more often and go outside and smell whatever's in the air out there.

Reanimator · 1 year

The only time I ever see the term "hipster metal" is in some idiot's rant about its supposed abuse in the metal community.

cliff_spamalot · 1 year

I was never good at classifying music. (Speed thrash, skate punk, Melodic Metal, Symphonic Prog, emo core what?)

Everytime I don't like a band, someone else thinks they're gods. Opposite is true.

I don't see the problem. Some people are just more opinionated than others I suppose. Maybe I should post this to /r/apathy instead, meh.

anti-anti-anti · 1 year

Mastodon, Baroness, Isis, etc, etc... are globally known as hipster metal. Hipster metal is defined by the use typical rock formulas and cliches with sparkles of metal aesthetics on top.

Sometimes stagnation, bastardization and degeneration are confused with progress and evolution. Acceptance of mediocrity leads to all of that.

jamespetersen · 1 year

Try this. Replace every use of the word Metal with Politics, and Every use of the word hipster/s with republican/s. Also, whenever he mentions a band, replace their name with a popular republican politician. Replace band with group. After doing this, it looks like it could easily be a rant about r/politics. lol

jooes · 1 year

You act like "hipsters" are ruining metal

I call them "Anti-Hipsters". People who are so against hipsters that they become hipsters them self. In a "She doth protest too much" kind of way.

This website is full of them, but no one will admit to it.

mastodan · 1 year

Cases in point: Mastodon, Baroness, Boris, The Sword, etc.

You just named 4 of my favorite groups! Well, I do live in NYC ...

Up2Eleven · 1 year

I fucking love doom and stoner metal because it reminds me of early, plodding, 70's metal from when I was growing up. Don't know why it would be called hipster, though. When I think hipster, I think Dandy Warhols, The Shins, and Elliott Smith, rather than metal. I didn't think hipsters were even into metal. The label confuses me as it doesn't seem applicable.

Now, there are entire genres of metal that I don't like at all, like Nu-Metal and Black Metal, and I'll say that I think they suck, but I won't say they're not metal.

Nakken · 1 year

Thank you for that OP! Maybe people should have a look at /trees to see how a community should be. I hate Mastodon but couldn't give a fuck if everyone else loved them. Just don't tell me what is metal and what is not.

guroth · 1 year

Metal is to not give a fuck, listen to what you think is good. Don't like it?, don't buy the fucking album!

Pair-O-Dimes · 1 year

"If you like Mastodon, listen to them. If you don't, don't comment and don't downvote."

Typical faggot argument made by someone unable to handle criticism. If someone has any strength of character they're not going to idly sit by and allow shitty things to exist unopposed. If there is something you dislike, the most sensible course of action is to cause as much damage to it as possible - whether through criticism or actual destruction.

This is what makes the mentioned bands "hipster metal" - hypocrisy. You'd like for everyone to have their own chance at being heard, whereas metal itself is built around ideas that run in direct opposition to that limp-wristed attitude.

Don't believe it? Then try to come up with a compelling argument as to why, if that is not the case, metal has always been warlike in both sound and word: anti-religion, anti-comfort, anti-oppression, and anti-weakness. Accepting those things that are opposed to your own values as being equally worthwhile is the opposite of metal. On the inside, there's a part of you that realizes this, since if you truly believed in your proposed mentality of universal acceptance, you wouldn't have bothered writing a post against a set of values in the first place.

You're either a self-delusional hypocrite, and don't really believe what you think you believe, or an oblivious coward, and really do believe people should not fight for what they believe in... I'd tell you to take your pick, but the truth is it makes no difference. Each one is worse than the other.

Give one good reason why ANYONE should "respect that there are people out there who will like bands that I do not." That's a stupid thing to hold respect for. Who cares if they like shitty music? I'm completely uninterested in what other people listen to. I'm also completely uninterested in whether or not the person behind me in line at the grocery store likes smearing himself with feces during his private time. That doesn't mean I'm going to "respect" these people for their indulgences in shit. If faced with it, I am going to mock and deride it because it merits that treatment. My respect is reserved for things that deserve it - it is not a free gift for all.

PirateMud · 1 year

Finally, someone who says what I've been thinking about /r/metal, but succinctly and... with less growling.

icaneatcatfood · 1 year

As a friend of mine said, support good music, not elitism. It's their loss if all they want to listen to is black/death metal that sounds like it came out of a white noise machine.

EinWindir · 1 year

How old are you?

westohioninja · 1 year

I'd say it isn't about how you look, what you're influenced by etc. that makes you 'metal' or 'punk' or whatever the fuck you wanna be. It's about sincerity and a drive to contribute to a scene you love (even if you aren't reinventing the wheel or anything). As long as said musician's do it for the love of doing it, it's metal, who cares if they're more influenced by Faith No More than Death?

jotok · 1 year

Hi, I have never posted here but I have loved metal as long as I have listened to music.

When something becomes "hipster" it is because hipsters are not original people but rather people who are so in love with kitsch that they create ugly, useless, derivative shit and celebrate how shitty it is. They have no attachment to their art and will gladly discard it disdainfully as soon as it is criticized.

People who create new, original stuff are generally called "artists" and I am very interested in what they have to show me. If you don't think something is in these categories then just fucking ignore it.

KingShish · 1 year

Well said, one of the great things about metal has always been it's ability to be diverse. Thats why it encompasses so many people. Just because you listen to Death doesn't mean you should jump on people listening to Nightwish. Being on one side of a debate should be fine though. Debates like the Megadeth/Metallica debate are good for metal because people voice intelligent opinions. Just calling something shit because it's not your taste is something different and should be done away with

anis9 · 1 year

hipsters are stealing my music and remanufacturing it

anis9 · 1 year

your point of view makes MTV what it is today. if you aren't passionate about your music then the air waves are taken over by bullshit bands. i think being passionately angry about how music is changing for the worse or the better is healthy.

[deleted] · 1 year

this is kind of off topic but what are mayonesa's political beliefs? is he a white supremacist?

brodieface · 1 year

While I agree with some of the things you say, I think whiny posts like this are even worse. Live by your own advice - if you don't like what some people have to say, ignore them!

amrocthegreat · 1 year

opinions are like assholes

mason092 · 1 year

How the fuck is Boris "hipster metal?"

specialdefects · 1 year

What exactly is hipster Metal? Is there something in particular within the music that makes people call it that? Sounds like the dumbest shit ever.

kittygator · 1 year

People shouldn't fight about "pure metal" because the only pure metal is on the periodic table of elements. Duh, silly.

dolgar · 1 year

OP is a hipster faggot.

CFO_Suicide · 1 year

throw a tantrum, why don't ya

brettaburger · 1 year

And besides, Boris kicks ass anyways.

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