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[–]WunderSader 38 points39 points ago

Democrats Reluctantly Support

And that pretty much sums up my problem with the democratic party

[–]clinically_cynical 9 points10 points ago

scold GOP for weakening bill

At least they're doing that...

[–]WhitYourQuining 6 points7 points ago

Like that's ever done a fucking thing to the GOP...

"You dirty rotten GOPers!"

"Yeah. What of it?"

[–]tsjone01 12 points13 points ago

The alternative was not voting for the slightly weakened bill. The news the next day? "DEMOCRATS PREVENT PASSAGE OF CONGRESSIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY BILL."

And the ignorant masses of this country would take that as spoken and vote most of those willing to take a stand out of office, preventing them from doing any good at all.

[–]WhitYourQuining 1 point2 points ago

Too true. Upvote to you, good sir!

The joys of a two-party system.

[–]Spelcheque 0 points1 point ago

Anybody who doesn't believe this should watch Fox News reports from when republican legislators were blocking the raising of the debt limit.

[–]justwannaupvote1 1 point2 points ago

You're a very bad man!

A bad bad man! No I won't let you have your way with me. What, another drink? Sure.

[–]ForeverAloneAlone 2 points3 points ago

It's either do nothing

[–]MeGrimlock4 0 points1 point ago

If this can be restrengthened in conference, people need to get loud about it passing. We can't let the GOP slide this under the rug. This is a massive issue and leads into getting money and lobbyist out of government. Hopefully this sets the stage for a out of the gate campaign finance reform bill in 2013.

[–]freeseasy 81 points82 points ago

Why would you not link to an article? What is your source?

[–]WarPhalange 53 points54 points ago

Just take his word for it man, he's cool. He split his weed with me once.

[–]dx1798 1 point2 points ago

I smoked pot with Johnny Hopkins.

[–]u8eR 17 points18 points ago

It comes from this Raw Story article.

[–]oSand -5 points-4 points ago

Which reads like a democrat press release

[–]Zkoynz 2 points3 points ago

seriously?? you are all gonna play into there bullshit. @WhitYourQuining brings up the most valid point from this post. Two party system dont work son. In fact, rep. systems will work just as well as dictatorships and monarchies. The only way to go is Direct Democracy! informed collaboration of the masses. Otherwise corruption is tooooo easy.

[–]Spectro87 0 points1 point ago

You assume the masses are informed..

[–]drburropile -4 points-3 points ago

I like obmneycare and so do my snowboarding buddies that od on heroin from afghanistan all the time.

[–]browncoat 1 point2 points ago

Direct Democracy is basically mob rule dude, believe it or not having people who do this stuff professionally and actually are educated in how a government should work is a good thing.

It's the corporatist, rent-seeking elements in our government that use government power to enrich themselves from both parties that is to blame for most of our troubles.

[–]donaldtrumptwat 66 points67 points ago

The Feds need to take a very long hard look at Cantor. He is corrupt, and his interference with the  Stock Act needs public explanation.  Cantor  is a treasonous dog, he is working for hedge funds and other greedy benefits. Remove him America.

[–]MillardFillmore 1 point2 points ago

Stock Act needs public explanation

In his own words on Quora, he then gets teared apart

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

Cantor explained. See this article for explication on what "unworkable" and "raised more questions than they would have answered" means.

[–]Teh_Message 7 points8 points ago

can you help me understand the explanation? for example:

"If you read it in the newspaper, on the Internet or in the trade press, it’s not a problem. But if you call your member of Congress because you want direct information, that’s political intelligence."

if the information is already public and in newspapers, on the internet, and in the trade press, why would you need to call a legislator?

"If I call a friend on the Hill to find out if there’s likely to be action on a tax bill because I’m thinking about selling my second house, I’m caught as a political intelligence consultant"

is that not unethically taking advantage of insider information? what's the difference between doing this and finding out if there is action on a bill that would effect certain industries and using that information to make stock trades? both are using inside information for financial gain.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points ago*

The constitution allows for members of the House of Representatives to be expelled if 2/3rds agree. The only three ever removed happened to be supporters of the secession of the Southern States but that doesn't mean that it can't be done.

Not sure why people are downvoting this, but have at it. It's much easier to cry about what a douche a politician is than exercise the power to remove him whether through the house or election.

[–]an_actual_lawyer 12 points13 points ago

The Senate stepped up to the plate and now the House is the hold up? Normally it is the opposite.

Cantor will have an extremely tough time explaining the amendments if the media makes enough noise about this. Perhaps a Reddit bomb is appropriate?

[–]those_draculas 5 points6 points ago

CNN tipline is your friend!

[–]egmou 23 points24 points ago

Anyone that did not see this coming is extremely naive. They got in the game to get rich, you think they are going to stop themselves?

[–]B-mus 9 points10 points ago

My wife always asked me why wealthy men always want to run for public office when it pays so little. Then all of this crap started being in the news and she finally realized the truth of it. I only hope many more are waking up to it too.

[–]bobsomeguy 4 points5 points ago

I think they are. People that I've never discussed politics with before, are suddenly starting to realize exactly what congress has become. Now, whether or not that is going to translate into real action at voting time is anyone's guess, but awareness is definitely starting to go up.

Just for perspective, right before the republican "revolution" in 1994, congress’s approval rating was 23% and it’s less than half of that today.

[–]NoCowLevel -5 points-4 points ago

Welcome to the death of American Imperialism and the end of the fourth stage of human farming. Maybe now we will realize that government is the antithesis to freedom and we won't give government so much fucking power.

[–]riotingchimps 0 points1 point ago

The Managerial-Administrative State is upon us for the foreseeable future

[–]rkenned 5 points6 points ago

One thing I simply don't get. More than a majority of the house is currently sponsoring the bill. How are modifications allowed when you have 288 co sponsors?

[–]psychoticdream 5 points6 points ago

By doing t in secret. That's how the modifications were done

[–]EvadableMoxie 8 points9 points ago

It's politics. None of them want the bill to pass, so they pick one person to stop it, someone who is secure in this position and isn't likely to be voted out of their seat, or someone who is tired of politics and is ready to retire and get a cushy job with the company he supposed severed ties with when he took over his seat.

Cantor isn't playing against his own team, he's taking one for the team.

[–]jimtowntim 5 points6 points ago

Eric Cantor has NO shame.

[–]newman11 2 points3 points ago

Slammed? How about "playfully tickled"? Unless his career just got irreparably damaged he did not get "slammed". Also no source.

[–]malenkylizards[!] 2 points3 points ago

Eric Cantor playfully tickled for neutering the STOCK Act. "Hee hee hee hee hee, STOPPIT!", Cantor was quoted as saying at a press conference.

[–]archtype 3 points4 points ago

Does Eric Cantor have any friends on Wall Street?

[–]psychoticdream 2 points3 points ago

A lot

[–]complete_asshole_ 7 points8 points ago

He doesn't care because he's in his element, all of his colleagues on both sides of the aisle are in collusion with him on this because they all know they suckle from the same teat.

The politics they put on TV is just a big show, like professional wrestling they have designated "Faces" and "Heels", the Heel behaves like a dick and draws all the boos while the Face is the hero everyone cheers for, usually they have Heels like "Sir Moneybags" or "The Arab" while the Face is a white, beer-drinking blue-collar American just like the audience. They choreograph how the fight will go down to increase the tension for the audience and have the bad guy win so the people will really hate him and then hand the Face a folding chair to hit the Heel in the back of the head with so they can cheer Face's resurgence. Of course, there is no real rivalry since their job is to provide entertainment and they get their paycheck from the same guy. Cantor is merely fulfilling his designated role as a Heel which he is especially good at since he naturally comes off as an asshole to anyone that hears him speak for more than a minute.

Seriously, the Dems job is to be defeated 2/3rds of the way then come out on top in a stunning victory for the proletariat by getting the repubs to make tiny concessions like "it's not ok to rape your female employees".

[–]NoCowLevel 3 points4 points ago

Seriously, the Dems job is to be defeated 2/3rds of the way then come out on top in a stunning victory for the proletariat by getting the repubs to make tiny concessions like "it's not ok to rape your female employees".

Also, while Republicans are deregulating businesses while socializing losses, the Democrats act friendly, as though they care about the poor and minorities. Their trojan horse is government dependance, through welfare, mandatory government-funded public education and other systems to cement the idea that government is necessary (seriously... what kind of welfare recipient will speak out against the people who are feeding them?), while both parties keep tools like the drug war, PATRIOT Act, SOPA, etc to prevent people from having impact on policies. The drug war was enacted in 1971 to retard/stop the civil rights movement/anti-war movement, and now internet censorship is being introduced to end the free dissemination of information, under the guise of copyright, to end another brewing social unrest. They're all pure evil, and death would be too good for these scum.

What we are witnessing is the death of American imperialism and the end of the fourth phase of human farming. When the US government collapses, it will cause a global depression, and maybe, MAYBE then we will learn that government is a cancer to freedom.

[–]riotingchimps 2 points3 points ago

everything sounded generally on target until human farming(?)

[–]Skelletonhand 0 points1 point ago

Get back in the matrix, dog.

[–]arizonaburning 3 points4 points ago

When asked why the fox put himself in charge of the henhouse, the fox replied "Because I can".

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago*

Before we impeach the guy or hang him or whatever the angry mob in this thread wants to do, can someone explain what exactly he did to "neuter" the bill? The article that this quote was taken from (inflammatorily abandoning all semblance of context) indicates that Cantor removed a "political intelligence" requirement that the Democratic leadership in the Senate also opposed. I can't find the text of the amended House bill, but this article seems to be about the portion that was struck in the House version. From that article:

Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, succeeded in adding a provision to the Senate bill that will require anyone who seeks information from a government official to help them analyze markets or make investment decisions to register as a lobbyist.

But analysts said that is so broad that it could sweep up average citizens, adding thousands of people to the rolls of official lobbyists by classifying them as “political intelligence consultants.”

Under the definition, Wall Street analysts who gather information for investment firms would have to register as lobbyists for the first time. But some experts say the provision is so vague it could apply to anyone who seeks information from a friend on Capitol Hill — even if the information is public.

From what I can tell, a Republican senator proposed an amendment to the Senate bill that the Democratic leadership in the Senate opposed due to concerns about vagueness and over-broad applicability. This amendment passed. Republicans in the House then removed the language. Where's the outrage?

edit: If anyone is interested, I copy/pasted the text of Grassley's amendment here. It modifies the definitions in 2 U.S.C. 1602, which impact who is covered under the subsequent regulations on lobbyist registration. Under 1603, there's an exception for "a person or entity whose...total income for matters related to lobbying activities [and political intelligence activities] on behalf of a particular client (in the case of a lobbying firm [or political intelligence firm]) does not exceed and is not expected to exceed $2,500." (brackets indicate amendment text). You can read the definition for political intelligence activities and political intelligence firm in the amendment. Without any specialized knowledge, I think the fear that this would apply to constituents who call their congressman is unfounded. Opposition on the grounds that this would sweep in tens of thousands of firms for even minimal contacts with anyone in politics and require those firms to adhere to strict registration requirements seems reasonable, however. The amendment was quite broad in its definition of "political intelligence activities" and could thus cover firms with no meaningful access to politicians.

edit2: No one is reading this, but I'll add more. Here is Grassley commenting on his amendment and a brief response from Lieberman indicating his concern (from the Congressional Record).

edit3: The roll call vote in the Senator on the Grassley amendment (which is what Cantor removed) was 60-39. Democrats voted 28-25 in favor of the amendment (counting Lieberman as a Democrat) and Republicans voted 32-14 in favor, with one Republican not voting (Senator Kirk had a stroke last month and isn't doing very well). Republicans favored this amendment more heavily than Democrats.

edit4: I'll throw another edit on this unread comment and note my opinion that the "political intelligence" stuff seems pretty much unrelated to the issue of alleged insider trading by congressmen. Why it needs to be thrown into this legislation I don't know.

[–]riotingchimps -1 points0 points ago

maybe because you started with "hang him"

[–]Moatilliatta_ 0 points1 point ago

What are you doing posting an educated, unbiased comment? Do you want facts to affect people's decisions? Huh. I bet you value logic more than you value political rhetoric, too. Jeeze, grow up and start spewing hateful, one-sided personal opinions like the rest of us.

[–]ohlookitsben1 7 points8 points ago

Link please.

[–]Post_op_FTM 0 points1 point ago

so ummmm how was he "slammed" again?

[–]wayndom 0 points1 point ago

There's already an online petition with nearly 100,000 signatures, telling Cantor to keep his hands off.

SIGN THE PETITION HERE

[–]Lrv0 0 points1 point ago

More like talking out both sides of his ass.

[–]pooromytasto 0 points1 point ago

cantor's laughing all the way to the bank

[–]rethinkyoself 0 points1 point ago

This is why pro-public legislation cannot be moderate when introduced. It will always get watered down to the point of uselessness. If the senate passed a bill that guaranteed summary execution of members of congress having momentary thoughts about insider trading there would have been a moderate bill coming out of the house. Politics is now zero sum, there is no such thing as compromise. People should get used to it. If we all stopped whining about campaign finance reform and instead started bringing out our wallets we could actually accomplish some things. Hourly attack ads against a corrupt congress, calling out senators on specific corrupt actions in every form of media. Repetition is all that matters and the narrative changes. You cannot defeat extremism with moderation.

We are trying to send the rapists of the middle class to talk therapy, instead we should be sharpening the guillotines.

[–]u2canfail -2 points-1 points ago

As he should be.

[–]polar_rejection -5 points-4 points ago

Downvoted for no source reference. Interesting premise, but no proof for this thread.